Chiefs Michael Holley on Fescoe, now - Page 14

Chiefnj2 · 09-21-2011, 07:26 AM

I'll give updates.

milkman · 09-21-2011, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I agree with you on all points. If it was in your hands, would you leave Pioli in charge? I personally am still willing to trust him as long as he does the right thing with the QB situation.

I don't know.

As I've said before, I like the way that Pioli has gone about constructing this roster, although I haven't agreed with about half of his decisions.

I think Bill Polian should have been fired in Indy years ago, but because of Manning, the perception is that he's done a good job, when in reality he has not.

I'm not sure I'm ready to call for Pioli's head yet, but I d believe he still has to make better decisions and still has a lot to prove.

I don't want a situation like Indy's, where the QB hides the GM's other failings.

**HemiEd** · 09-21-2011, 08:58 PM

**Dave Lane** · 09-21-2011, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Just pointing out that the roster was not devoid of talent when Pioli took over.

Still hate the 2010 2nd round, but agree about the potential of this draft.

I stiil believe Haley is going to be a good coach when he figures some things out, and fully believe he deserves credit for raising the level of play from the guys that were here.

The voice of reason and moderation once again. Perhaps there is some sanity here on the planet.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-21-2011, 10:49 PM

Umm...Holley is a shill for the Pats.

The guy was the ghostwriter for Tedy Bruschi's biography, he wrote Patriot Reign, and this book follows what? Three teams from the Pats tree.

I can understand why people don't want to take Whitlock's words at face value, but Holley has never been anything other than a blind, New England homer. He was a much worse version of Michael Smith when he was on ATH. He's also currently hosting a show on WEEI.

You're not going to get a legitimate critique of the regime from him.

Hammock Parties · 09-21-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Umm...Holley is a shill for the Pats.

The guy was the ghostwriter for Tedy Bruschi's biography, he wrote Patriot Reign, and this book follows what? Three teams from the Pats tree.

I can understand why people don't want to take Whitlock's words at face value, but Holley has never been anything other than a blind, New England homer. He was a much worse version of Michael Smith when he was on ATH. He's also currently hosting a show on WEEI.

You're not going to get a legitimate critique of the regime from him.

TRUTH BOMB

Quote:

This whole book is basically a puff piece for the Patriot Way...so pardon me if I give it the finger.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-21-2011, 11:00 PM

There are a lot of journalists who are "respected" in certain areas because the teams win and the journalist kisses the ass of the winning team.

Joe Strauss of the Post Dispatch is a great example.

Frankie · 09-21-2011, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

I stiil believe Haley is going to be a good coach when he figures some things out, and fully believe he deserves credit for raising the level of play from the guys that were here.

Totally this.

Red Dawg · 09-21-2011, 11:52 PM

Like I said FATASS is a turd and writes bullshit. He just made all that shit up.

No proof of anything.

BigRock · 09-22-2011, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

I stiil believe Haley is going to be a good coach when he figures some things out, and fully believe he deserves credit for raising the level of play from the guys that were here.

Totally negated by that time he called a halfback pass.

BigRock · 09-22-2011, 12:06 AM

If we're going to dismiss Holley as a Pats ass-kisser who's just regurgitating whatever sunshine Pioli wants him to shine up peoples' butts, we also have to dismiss the stories about tension between Pioli and Haley being such that Pioli is giving these off-the-record Haley bashfests to his media cronies. Which at least one story claims dates back to last season.

Because if that was true, obviously a kool-aid drinking Pats worshipper like Holley, who has been tight with Pioli for the last decade, would have gotten the memo. Pioli and Weis (and Romeo) would be the brains behind the outfit, and that no-connection-to-the-Pats douchebag golf pro would be the turd in the punch bowl.

But it's clear from this interview that Holley is a fan of Haley, even questioning Fescoe's comment that he'd have preferred keeping Weis. That certainly doesn't jive with the idea of Pioli working the media against him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2011, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock

If we're going to dismiss Holley as a Pats ass-kisser who's just regurgitating whatever sunshine Pioli wants him to shine up peoples' butts, we also have to dismiss the stories about tension between Pioli and Haley being such that Pioli is giving these off-the-record Haley bashfests to his media cronies. Which at least one story claims dates back to last season.

Because if that was true, obviously a kool-aid drinking Pats worshipper like Holley, who has been tight with Pioli for the last decade, would have gotten the memo. Pioli and Weis (and Romeo) would be the brains behind the outfit, and that no-connection-to-the-Pats douchebag golf pro would be the turd in the punch bowl.

But it's clear from this interview that Holley is a fan of Haley, even questioning Fescoe's comment that he'd have preferred keeping Weis. That certainly doesn't jive with the idea of Pioli working the media against him.

If your primary mission is to quash rumors of dissent, simply tell someone that there is no dissent.

Regardless, whether or not the two guys like each other is ultimately immaterial. The fact of the matter is that both are performing their jobs horribly, and that's what they should be judged on.

BigRock · 09-22-2011, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If your primary mission is to quash rumors of dissent, simply tell someone that there is no dissent.

He can deny dissent and still bury Haley.

"No, I never saw any tension between them. I don't think Haley's a very good coach, though. Too big an ego. Single-handedly responsible for every bad decision the team has made. Refused to go along with many brilliant ideas Pioli had. They should have fired him and kept Weis. They should replace him with Josh McDaniels."

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2011, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock

He can deny dissent and still bury Haley.

"No, I never saw any tension between them. I don't think Haley's a very good coach, though. Too big an ego. Single-handedly responsible for every bad decision the team has made. Refused to go along with many brilliant ideas Pioli had. They should have fired him and kept Weis. They should replace him with Josh McDaniels."

You can be a pawn without being a mindless husk. Let's not operate in binaries here. This stuff works in shades of gray. Again, this is all window dressing to the larger analysis, which should be an evaluation of how poorly they've performed their jobs.

**BossChief** · 09-22-2011, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You can be a pawn without being a mindless husk. Let's not operate in binaries here. This stuff works in shades of gray. Again, this is all window dressing to the larger analysis, which should be an evaluation of how poorly they've performed their jobs.

Question:

If Pioli had drafted Josh Freeman at 3 in 2009, would you still think he "is doing a poor job"?

What are your honest thoughts on Dick Stanzi?

Can we get a small update as to how things are going with the little ones? I understand if this is too personal.

Amnorix · 09-22-2011, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

In other words, Belichick played Pioli like a drum.

Eh, maybe. I personally thought he had a very good chance of developing into an above average QB. He has terrific athleticism and was LIGHT YEARS better by the end of 2008 than he had been at the start of 2008. If he continued to progress at that trajectory, then he would be a very good starting QB.

I thought, in short, that he had all the "tools" and that his problems were fixable.

Apparently not.

09-21-2011, 07:26 AM
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6674388	Michael Holley on Fescoe, now I'll give updates.
Posts: 22,540

09-21-2011, 08:58 PM	#197
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $-339436	here
Posts: 34,819

09-21-2011, 10:49 PM	#199
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	Umm...Holley is a shill for the Pats. The guy was the ghostwriter for Tedy Bruschi's biography, he wrote Patriot Reign, and this book follows what? Three teams from the Pats tree. I can understand why people don't want to take Whitlock's words at face value, but Holley has never been anything other than a blind, New England homer. He was a much worse version of Michael Smith when he was on ATH. He's also currently hosting a show on WEEI. You're not going to get a legitimate critique of the regime from him. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 75,077

09-21-2011, 11:00 PM	#201
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	There are a lot of journalists who are "respected" in certain areas because the teams win and the journalist kisses the ass of the winning team. Joe Strauss of the Post Dispatch is a great example. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 75,077

09-21-2011, 11:52 PM	#203
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1402858	Like I said FATASS is a turd and writes bullshit. He just made all that shit up. No proof of anything. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
Posts: 33,111

09-22-2011, 12:06 AM	#205
BigRock Pritay Pritay Pritay Good Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $785412	If we're going to dismiss Holley as a Pats ass-kisser who's just regurgitating whatever sunshine Pioli wants him to shine up peoples' butts, we also have to dismiss the stories about tension between Pioli and Haley being such that Pioli is giving these off-the-record Haley bashfests to his media cronies. Which at least one story claims dates back to last season. Because if that was true, obviously a kool-aid drinking Pats worshipper like Holley, who has been tight with Pioli for the last decade, would have gotten the memo. Pioli and Weis (and Romeo) would be the brains behind the outfit, and that no-connection-to-the-Pats douchebag golf pro would be the turd in the punch bowl. But it's clear from this interview that Holley is a fan of Haley, even questioning Fescoe's comment that he'd have preferred keeping Weis. That certainly doesn't jive with the idea of Pioli working the media against him.
Posts: 6,988