'Shutdown' Corners.

HMc · 01-25-2006, 03:29 AM

Do they actually exist? Who are they, if so?

Whenever i hear about a shutdown corner i then see that guy get burned that weekend. Surtain, Bailey etc.

I don' geddit.

CHIEF4EVER · 01-25-2006, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by HMc

Do they actually exist? Who are they, if so?

Whenever i hear about a shutdown corner i then see that guy get burned that weekend. Surtain, Bailey etc.

I don' geddit.

With the changes in defensive contact rules shutdown corners don't exist anymore IMO.

Simplex3 · 01-25-2006, 03:49 AM

I think you're basically hoping for a "doesn't get burned every down like McCleon" corner at this point.

HMc · 01-25-2006, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

I think you're basically hoping for a "doesn't get burned every down like McCleon" corner at this point.

HMc · 01-25-2006, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

With the changes in defensive contact rules shutdown corners don't exist anymore IMO.

What were those changes? Did they used to be able to be able to make contact within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage or something? Other changes?

Mecca · 01-25-2006, 04:04 AM

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What were those changes? Did they used to be able to be able to make contact within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage or something? Other changes?

They just enforce downfield contact alot more than they did in the past. Now if you touch a reciever past 5 yards you get flagged for it. With the way the rules are right now, you have to have a pass rush or the best corners in the league are going to look like scrubs.

dj56dt58 · 01-25-2006, 07:23 AM

Surtain is a shutdown corner..they hardly through the ball his way this season, and when they did he had good coverage. Most of the times he got "burned" were times he was expecting help deep and didn't get it, or was late getting there.

greg63 · 01-25-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HMc

What were those changes? Did they used to be able to be able to make contact within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage or something? Other changes?

Yes; I believe that is that is the rule.

StcChief · 01-25-2006, 07:32 AM

Good cover corner is top of list now.
Shutdown has really disappeared with no contact 5yards

Look at what Big Ben and Sqweelers did to Bailey.

chief52 · 01-25-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

With the changes in defensive contact rules shutdown corners don't exist anymore IMO.

Yes, I totally agree. The liberalization of the passing rules has made shut down corners a thing of the past.

NJ Chief Fan · 01-25-2006, 08:02 AM

ty law vs marvin harrison in the playoffs= shut down corner

chief52 · 01-25-2006, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HMc

What were those changes? Did they used to be able to be able to make contact within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage or something? Other changes?

Corners used to be able to bump the receiver as long as the receiver was still in front of him. They could bump him all the way down the field and actually prevent him from getting down the field. That was at least 15 or 20 years ago at a guess. Rules have changed and enforcement made stricter to put more offense in the game.

Radar Chief · 01-25-2006, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They just enforce downfield contact alot more than they did in the past. Now if you touch a reciever past 5 yards you get flagged for it. With the way the rules are right now, you have to have a pass rush or the best corners in the league are going to look like scrubs.

Unless that receiver is Tony Gonzalez, then defenders can get away with ass rape’n him all over the field.
Otherwise agreed, that’s the way it’s ‘spose’ta work.

jspchief · 01-25-2006, 08:50 AM

Bailey isn't a shutdown corner and never has been. He's always been a guy that plays off his receiver and relies on his closing speed to make the play. That's why he gets so many picks (baiting the QB) and it's also why he gets burned.

Surtain used to be a shutdown corner. But as others have said, the new emphasis on downfield contact makes it hard to play a WR tight. You can't blanket a guy because the first time you bump him in the process, you get yellow laundry.

The new age CB will have to be able to play off, then close the gap quickly. Guys like DeAngelo Hall and Bailey are very good at that.

ChiefsfaninPA · 01-25-2006, 09:25 AM

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Bailey isn't a shutdown corner and never has been. He's always been a guy that plays off his receiver and relies on his closing speed to make the play. That's why he gets so many picks (baiting the QB) and it's also why he gets burned.

You mean Chump isn't a shut down corner? You are borderline blasphemous with that statement. I hope the football gods (aka ZachKC) aren't reading.

01-25-2006, 03:29 AM
HMc from the very deep south. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia. Casino cash: $9944900	'Shutdown' Corners. Do they actually exist? Who are they, if so? Whenever i hear about a shutdown corner i then see that guy get burned that weekend. Surtain, Bailey etc. I don' geddit.
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Simplex3 MVP Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $10004900	I think you're basically hoping for a "doesn't get burned every down like McCleon" corner at this point.
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dj56dt58 Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9960055	Surtain is a shutdown corner..they hardly through the ball his way this season, and when they did he had good coverage. Most of the times he got "burned" were times he was expecting help deep and didn't get it, or was late getting there.
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01-25-2006, 07:32 AM	#9
StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	Good cover corner is top of list now. Shutdown has really disappeared with no contact 5yards Look at what Big Ben and Sqweelers did to Bailey. __________________ sig test for this screwy schema
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01-25-2006, 08:02 AM	#11
NJ Chief Fan DAMMIT CARL! Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	ty law vs marvin harrison in the playoffs= shut down corner
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01-25-2006, 08:50 AM	#14
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Bailey isn't a shutdown corner and never has been. He's always been a guy that plays off his receiver and relies on his closing speed to make the play. That's why he gets so many picks (baiting the QB) and it's also why he gets burned. Surtain used to be a shutdown corner. But as others have said, the new emphasis on downfield contact makes it hard to play a WR tight. You can't blanket a guy because the first time you bump him in the process, you get yellow laundry. The new age CB will have to be able to play off, then close the gap quickly. Guys like DeAngelo Hall and Bailey are very good at that.
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