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| 1989 - Carl wins |
   
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6 | 50.00% |
| 1989 - Monkey wins |
  
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4 | 33.33% |
| 1989 - Chicken wins |
  
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2 | 16.67% |
| 1990 - Carl wins |
  
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4 | 33.33% |
| 1990 - Monkey wins |
  
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5 | 41.67% |
| 1990 - Chicken wins |
  
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3 | 25.00% |
| 1991 - Carl wins |
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1 | 8.33% |
| 1991 - Monkey wins |
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8 | 66.67% |
| 1991 - Chicken wins |
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3 | 25.00% |
| 1992 - Carl wins |
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5 | 41.67% |
| 1992 - Monkey wins |
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4 | 33.33% |
| 1992 - Chicken wins |
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3 | 25.00% |
| 1993 - Carl wins |
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7 | 58.33% |
| 1993 - Monkey wins |
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3 | 25.00% |
| 1993 - Chicken wins |
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2 | 16.67% |
| 1994 - Carl wins |
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3 | 25.00% |
| 1994 - Monkey wins |
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6 | 50.00% |
| 1994 - Chicken wins |
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3 | 25.00% |
| 1995 - Carl wins |
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3 | 25.00% |
| 1995 - Monkey wins |
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4 | 33.33% |
| 1995 - Chicken wins |
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4 | 33.33% |
| 1989 through 1995 - Carl wins |
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5 | 41.67% |
| 1989 through 1995 - Monkey wins |
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4 | 33.33% |
| 1989 through 1995 - Chicken wins |
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2 | 16.67% |
| Dammit, Carl! |
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4 | 33.33% |
| I'd like to see a real fight between Carl, a monkey, and a chicken? |
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7 | 58.33% |
| How do I tell the three of them apart? |
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4 | 33.33% |
| Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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Carl Peterson versus a monkey versus a pecking chicken, Part 1 of 3
Okay, I've gone back and looked at the Chiefs draft from 1989 through 1995. I have compiled the Chiefs' actual draft, and then I have compiled two additional drafts where we can assume that a monkey and a pecking chicken randomly selected players from among the next nine picks after Carl's pick (or possibly Carl's pick).*
They are posted below, and we'll have a poll asking whose draft you would prefer: Carl's, the monkey's, or the chicken's. *Occasionally the figure is less than ten picks for a couple of database reasons that I was too lazy to fix. Here are the drafts. In each row, we have the year, the pick number, followed by Carl's pick, the monkey's pick, and the chicken's pick. In the case of the monkey and the chicken, I also include the team that actually did draft that player. 1989 Code:
1989 4 Derrick Thomas,LB,Alabama,Kansas City Chiefs Deion Sanders,CB,Florida State,Atlanta Falcons Broderick Thomas,LB,Nebraska,Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1989 32 Mike Elkins,QB,Wake Forest,Kansas City Chiefs Doug Widell,G,Boston College,Denver Broncos Courtney Hall,C,Rice,San Diego Chargers 1989 60 Naz Worthen,WR,North Carolina State,Kansas City Chiefs Derek Hill,WR,Arizona,Pittsburgh Steelers Darrell Hamilton,T,North Carolina,Denver Broncos 1989 88 Stan Petry,DB,Texas Christian,Kansas City Chiefs Maurice Hurst,DB,Southern University,New England Patriots Jim Wahler,DT,UCLA,Phoenix Cardinals 1989 143 Robb Thomas,WR,Oregon State,Kansas City Chiefs Anthony Stafford,--,Oklahoma,Denver Broncos Wes Pritchett,LB,Notre Dame,Miami Dolphins 1989 171 Ron Sancho,--,Louisiana State,Kansas City Chiefs Ricky Royal,DB,Sam Houston State,Phoenix Cardinals Dave Popp,--,Eastern Illinois,New York Giants 1989 199 Bryan Tobey,--,Grambling State,Kansas City Chiefs Dana Brinson,WR,Nebraska,San Diego Chargers Dana Brinson,WR,Nebraska,San Diego Chargers 1989 220 Todd McNair,RB,Temple,Kansas City Chiefs Scott Kirby,--,Arizona State,Green Bay Packers Chris Dyko,T,Washington State,Chicago Bears 1989 227 Jack Phillips,--,Alcorn State,Kansas City Chiefs Pat Davis,--,Syracuse,San Diego Chargers Chris Dunn,--,Cal Poly-S.L.O.,Atlanta Falcons 1989 255 Rob McGovern,LB,Holy Cross,Kansas City Chiefs Mark Schlereth,G,Idaho,Washington Redskins Ricky Andrews,LB,Washington,San Diego Chargers 1989 283 Marcus Turner,DB,UCLA,Kansas City Chiefs Jeff Hunter,DE,Albany State (Ga.),Phoenix Cardinals Victor Floyd,RB,Florida State,San Diego Chargers 1989 311 Bill Jones,RB,Texas State,Kansas City Chiefs Joe Mickles,RB,Mississippi,Washington Redskins Joe Mickles,RB,Mississippi,Washington Redskins Code:
1990 13 Percy Snow,LB,Michigan State,Kansas City Chiefs Renaldo Turnbull,DE,West Virginia,New Orleans Saints James Williams,DB,Fresno State,Buffalo Bills 1990 40 Tim Grunhard,C,Notre Dame,Kansas City Chiefs Kenny Davidson,DE,Louisiana State,Pittsburgh Steelers Carwell Gardner,FB,Louisville,Buffalo Bills 1990 96 Fred Jones,WR,Grambling State,Kansas City Chiefs DeMond Winston,LB,Vanderbilt,New Orleans Saints Harlon Barnett,DB,Michigan State,Cleveland Browns 1990 124 Derrick Graham,T,Appalachian State,Kansas City Chiefs Barry Foster,RB,Arkansas,Pittsburgh Steelers Rob Burnett,DE,Syracuse,Cleveland Browns 1990 127 Ken Hackemack,T,Texas,Kansas City Chiefs Calvin Williams,WR,Purdue,Philadelphia Eagles Ken Hackemack,T,Texas,Kansas City Chiefs 1990 152 Tom Sims,NT,Pittsburgh,Kansas City Chiefs James E. Williams,LB,Mississippi State,New Orleans Saints Bryce Paup,LB,Northern Iowa,Green Bay Packers 1990 180 David Szott,G,Penn State,Kansas City Chiefs Dan Grayson,--,Washington State,Pittsburgh Steelers John Levelis,--,C.W. Post,Minnesota Vikings 1990 235 Michael Owens,--,Syracuse,Kansas City Chiefs Eugene Rowell,WR,Southern Mississippi,Cleveland Browns Eugene Rowell,WR,Southern Mississippi,Cleveland Browns 1990 263 Craig Hudson,TE,Wisconsin,Kansas City Chiefs Jerome Martin,--,Western Kentucky,Green Bay Packers Donald Smith,DB,Liberty,Minnesota Vikings 1990 291 Ernest Thompson,--,Georgia Southern,Kansas City Chiefs Justin Strzelczyk,T,Maine,Pittsburgh Steelers Al Edwards,WR,Northwestern State-Louisiana,Buffalo Bills 1990 318 Tony Jeffery,--,San Jose State,Kansas City Chiefs Elliott Searcy,--,Southern University,San Diego Chargers Blaine Rose,G,Maryland,New England Patriots Code:
1991 21 Harvey Williams,RB,Louisiana State,Kansas City Chiefs Ted Washington,NT,Louisville,San Francisco 49ers Henry Jones,DB,Illinois,Buffalo Bills 1991 50 Joe Valerio,T,Pennsylvania,Kansas City Chiefs John Johnson,LB,Clemson,San Francisco 49ers Doug Thomas,WR,Clemson,Seattle Seahawks 1991 77 Tim Barnett,WR,Jackson State,Kansas City Chiefs Ed McCaffrey,WR,Stanford,New York Giants Chris Gardocki,P,Clemson,Chicago Bears 1991 133 Charles Mincy,DB,Washington,Kansas City Chiefs Anthony Moss,LB,Florida State,New York Giants Charles Mincy,DB,Washington,Kansas City Chiefs 1991 162 Darrell Malone,DB,Jacksonville State,Kansas City Chiefs Scott Bowles,T,North Texas,San Francisco 49ers Darrell Malone,DB,Jacksonville State,Kansas City Chiefs 1991 189 Bernard Ellison,CB,Nevada-Reno,Kansas City Chiefs Sheldon Canley,RB,San Jose State,San Francisco 49ers Harry Colon,SS,Missouri,New England Patriots 1991 218 Tom Dohring,T,Michigan,Kansas City Chiefs Roland Smith,--,Miami (Fla.),Miami Dolphins Roland Smith,--,Miami (Fla.),Miami Dolphins 1991 244 Robbie Keen,--,California,Kansas City Chiefs Louis Riddick,DB,Pittsburgh,San Francisco 49ers Robbie Keen,--,California,Kansas City Chiefs 1991 273 Eric Ramsey,--,Auburn,Kansas City Chiefs Eric Ramsey,--,Auburn,Kansas City Chiefs Terry Crews,LB,Western Michigan,Los Angeles Rams 1991 300 Bobby Olive,WR,Ohio State,Kansas City Chiefs Elijah Austin,--,North Carolina State,Cleveland Browns Ernie Rogers,--,California,Miami Dolphins 1991 329 Ron Shipley,--,New Mexico,Kansas City Chiefs Dennis Johnson,WR,Winston-Salem State,Los Angeles Raiders Dennis Johnson,WR,Winston-Salem State,Los Angeles Raiders Code:
1992 20 Dale Carter,CB,Tennessee,Kansas City Chiefs Dale Carter,CB,Tennessee,Kansas City Chiefs Vaughn Dunbar,RB,Indiana,New Orleans Saints 1992 40 Matt Blundin,QB,Virginia,Kansas City Chiefs Tony Sacca,QB,Penn State,Phoenix Cardinals Amp Lee,RB,Florida State,San Francisco 49ers 1992 101 Mike Evans,DT,Michigan,Kansas City Chiefs Mike Evans,DT,Michigan,Kansas City Chiefs Chuck Johnson,G,Texas,Denver Broncos 1992 159 Tony Smith,WR,Notre Dame,Kansas City Chiefs Nate Turner,TE,Nebraska,Buffalo Bills Kary Vincent,--,Texas A&M,New Orleans Saints 1992 186 Erick Anderson,LB,Michigan,Kansas City Chiefs Jim Gray,--,West Virginia,New England Patriots William Boatwright,--,Virginia Tech,Philadelphia Eagles 1992 213 Jim Jennings,--,San Diego State,Kansas City Chiefs Robert Stewart,--,Alabama,New Orleans Saints Mike Pawlawski,QB,California,Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1992 244 Jay Leeuwenburg,C,Colorado,Kansas City Chiefs Boone Powell,LB,Texas,Washington Redskins Muhammad Oliver,DB,Oregon,Denver Broncos 1992 271 Jerry Ostroski,G,Tulsa,Kansas City Chiefs John Terry,--,Livingstone,Dallas Cowboys Bob Meeks,C,Auburn,Denver Broncos 1992 298 Doug Rigby,--,Wyoming,Kansas City Chiefs Tim Daniel,WR,Florida A&M,Dallas Cowboys Doug Rigby,--,Wyoming,Kansas City Chiefs 1992 325 Corey Williams,--,Oklahoma State,Kansas City Chiefs Kameno Bell,--,Illinois,Miami Dolphins Corey Williams,--,Oklahoma State,Kansas City Chiefs Code:
1993 74 Will Shields,G,Nebraska,Kansas City Chiefs Mike Reid,DB,North Carolina State,Philadelphia Eagles Terry Kirby,RB,Virginia,Miami Dolphins 1993 103 Jaime Fields,LB,Washington,Kansas City Chiefs Ronnie Bradford,CB,Colorado,Miami Dolphins Albert Fontenot,DE,Baylor,Chicago Bears 1993 130 Lindsay Knapp,T,Notre Dame,Kansas City Chiefs Chris Gray,T,Auburn,Miami Dolphins Lindsay Knapp,T,Notre Dame,Kansas City Chiefs 1993 159 Darius Turner,--,Washington,Kansas City Chiefs Robert O'Neal,DB,Clemson,Miami Dolphins Robert O'Neal,DB,Clemson,Miami Dolphins 1993 186 Danan Hughes,WR,Iowa,Kansas City Chiefs Patrick Robinson,WR,Tennessee State,Houston Oilers Patrick Robinson,WR,Tennessee State,Houston Oilers Code:
1994 25 Greg Hill,RB,Texas A&M,Kansas City Chiefs Henry Ford,DE,Arkansas,Houston Oilers William Floyd,FB,Florida State,San Francisco 49ers 1994 58 Donnell Bennett,RB,Miami (Fla.),Kansas City Chiefs Jason Sehorn,SAF,USC,New York Giants Vaughn Parker,G,UCLA,San Diego Chargers 1994 92 Lake Dawson,WR,Notre Dame,Kansas City Chiefs Shane Bonham,DT,Tennessee,Detroit Lions Malcolm Floyd,WR,Fresno State,Houston Oilers 1994 96 Chris Penn,WR,Tulsa,Kansas City Chiefs Alai Kalaniuvalu,G,Oregon State,Atlanta Falcons Alai Kalaniuvalu,G,Oregon State,Atlanta Falcons 1994 127 Bracy Walker,SAF,North Carolina,Kansas City Chiefs DeWayne Dotson,LB,Mississippi,Dallas Cowboys Trent Pollard,T,Eastern Washington,Cincinnati Bengals 1994 151 James Burton,CB,Fresno State,Kansas City Chiefs Roderick Lewis,TE,Arizona,Houston Oilers A.J. Ofodile,TE,Missouri,Buffalo Bills 1994 156 Rob Waldrop,DT,Arizona,Kansas City Chiefs Jim Reid,T,Virginia,Houston Oilers Roosevelt Patterson,--,Alabama,Los Angeles Raiders 1994 185 Anthony Daigle,RB,Fresno State,Kansas City Chiefs Barron Wortham,LB,Texas-El Paso,Houston Oilers Anthony Abrams,--,Clark Atlanta,Buffalo Bills 1994 199 Steve Matthews,QB,Memphis,Kansas City Chiefs Jim Pyne,C,Virginia Tech,Tampa Bay Buccaneers Steve Matthews,QB,Memphis,Kansas City Chiefs 1994 219 Tracy Greene,TE,Grambling State,Kansas City Chiefs Lemanski Hall,LB,Alabama,Houston Oilers Lemanski Hall,LB,Alabama,Houston Oilers Code:
1995 31 Trezelle Jenkins,T,Michigan,Kansas City Chiefs Trezelle Jenkins,T,Michigan,Kansas City Chiefs Zach Wiegert,T,Nebraska,St. Louis Rams 1995 81 Tamarick Vanover,WR,Florida State,Kansas City Chiefs Eric Zeier,QB,Georgia,Cleveland Browns Rodney Young,SAF,Louisiana State,New York Giants 1995 97 Troy Dumas,LB,Nebraska,Kansas City Chiefs Michael Roan,TE,Wisconsin,Houston Oilers Michael Roan,TE,Wisconsin,Houston Oilers 1995 134 Steve Stenstrom,QB,Stanford,Kansas City Chiefs Stephen Boyd,LB,Boston College,Detroit Lions Mike Senters,CB,Northwestern,Carolina Panthers 1995 155 Mike Pelton,DT,Auburn,Kansas City Chiefs Jay Barker,QB,Alabama,Green Bay Packers James Stewart,RB,Miami (Fla.),Minnesota Vikings 1995 164 Jerrott Willard,LB,California,Kansas City Chiefs Jerrott Willard,LB,California,Kansas City Chiefs Lance Scott,C,Utah,Arizona Cardinals 1995 202 Bryan Proby,DE,Arizona State,Kansas City Chiefs Fred McCrary,RB,Mississippi State,Philadelphia Eagles Bryan Proby,DE,Arizona State,Kansas City Chiefs 1995 207 Tom Barndt,G,Pittsburgh,Kansas City Chiefs Tom Barndt,G,Pittsburgh,Kansas City Chiefs Billy Williams,WR,Tennessee,Arizona Cardinals Remind me and I'll post the other two parts, which cover the middle ages of Carl's reign, and the post-nihilist age. Last edited by Rain Man; 09-19-2007 at 11:30 PM.. |
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Wow. I am so not reading all of that. How long did that take you to compile?
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Not very long, actually. I came up with a nifty way to automate it all.
I went with the monkey in 1989, 1990, and 1991, and it looked like the monkey was going to run away with it. However, Carl came back and won 1992, 1993, 1994, and 1995, shutting out the chicken and rallying to beat the monkey. I have to call Carl the winner in the early years, though the monkey was a very close second.
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The monkey picked up three effective starters, versus two for Carl. The monkey got Turnbull in the first (8 years, 1 pro bowl), Barry Foster in the fourth (5 years, 2 pro bowls), and Justin Strzelczyk in the 11th (nine years, 0 pro bowls). Carl got Grunhard in the 2nd (11 seasons, 1 pro bowl), and Dave Szott (14 seasons, 0 pro bowls). Graham was a starter for a couple of years too, I think. It's close, but I think Strzelczyk more or less cancels out Szott, and Turnbull and Foster beat Grunhard.
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