Herm defends run run pass punt

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:23 PM

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Edwards defends conservative approach to offense

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative.

“There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game.

“Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.”

The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense.

“You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing.

“You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing.

“Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times.

“We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.”

The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half.

They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3.

The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.

“Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one.

“If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.”

Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills.

But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays.

“You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”

**007** · 11-19-2007, 11:25 PM

Kiss my ass Herm.

**KcMizzou** · 11-19-2007, 11:28 PM

So he's basically saying...

We realize we can't do anything, so we're not going to try to do anything.

Did I get that right?

KCFalcon59 · 11-19-2007, 11:28 PM

What a useless piece of shit head coach we have.

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

So he's basically saying...

We realize we can't do anything, so we're not going to try to do anything.

Did I get that right?

That's what he said.

What's really aggravating is that they were MORE aggressive with a less-talented quarterback.

BRODIE MIGHT MAKE A MISTAKE! OH NOES!

**Bugeater** · 11-19-2007, 11:31 PM

What's next, we punt on first down so there's no chance of having a negative play?

kc rush · 11-19-2007, 11:33 PM

I'm afraid of what might happen, so I won't do anything.

Leader of men, my ass.

**007** · 11-19-2007, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATSE

That's what he said.

What's really aggravating is that they were MORE aggressive with a less-talented quarterback.

BRODIE MIGHT MAKE A MISTAKE! OH NOES!

Hey coach. What's our record again? How did we get here? What's that? By not taking a risk? Gee, imagine where we could be if you took a risk every now and then when the situation called for it.

Yeah, could be worse. But the opposite side of that outweighs it my miles. I think most can live with worse if we are at least trying.

**dirk digler** · 11-19-2007, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

So he's basically saying...

We realize we can't do anything, so we're not going to try to do anything.

Did I get that right?

Basically.

The sad thing is him and Carl are the ones responsible for who is on this team so if the players suck I guess Herm can't evaluate offensive players then.

go bo · 11-19-2007, 11:33 PM

why oh why does herm love the terrorists and hate america?

er, why oh why does herm love the 2 yd run and hate scoring points?

oh, i forgot...

no arena ball allowed for this team...

not with herm as the head coach...

**007** · 11-19-2007, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater

What's next, we punt on first down so there's no chance of having a negative play?

Ummm, blocked punt.

Zouk · 11-19-2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATSE

That's what he said.

What's really aggravating is that they were MORE aggressive with a less-talented quarterback.

BRODIE MIGHT MAKE A MISTAKE! OH NOES!

Did you see the part about the Colts averaging giving up only 1 pass play of over 20 yards per game over 10 games. And the fact that they average 2-3 interceptions or strip-sacks per home game. Those numbers are actually amazing.

FAX · 11-19-2007, 11:34 PM

I think you nailed it, Mr. KcMizzou. Cognitive dissonance at work.

You know, if his own players (who, assumably, know themselves) think they can do more, Herm has no business accusing the "fans" of being unrealistic in thinking we should at least try to pick up first downs. Jesus.

He says that, if Kolby had run for 15 yards on first down, he would have gone for it. Hell, if Kolby could run for 15 yards, things would be entirely different for everybody. His excuses and explanations are literally ridiculous.

FAX

**TinyEvel** · 11-19-2007, 11:34 PM

OMFG I really am beginning to think he's off his rocker.

When we hired Herm I was working with a Jets fan. He said, "Just wait, the guy makes BAD DECISIONS during games. You'll see."

Now I'm seeing.

“We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football..."

"BECAUSE THEY ARE RUNNING YOUR PLAYS!!!"

3rd and long and you hand it to your third string rookie running back? Or pass it to the line of scrimmage?

Zouk · 11-19-2007, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru

Hey coach. What's our record again? How did we get here? What's that? By not taking a risk? Gee, imagine where we could be if you took a risk every now and then when the situation called for it.

Actually we lost the most important game of the year (Broncos at home) by giving the opposition 14 quick points off our passing game. In other words, by taking a risk.

11-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4410478	Herm defends run run pass punt http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/368858.html Edwards defends conservative approach to offense Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point. Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative. “There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game. “Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.” The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense. “You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing. “You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing. “Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times. “We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.” The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half. They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3. The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass. “We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts. “Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half. “Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one. “If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.” Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills. But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain. Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium. “(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays. “You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”
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11-19-2007, 11:25 PM	#2
007 Shaken. Not stirred. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Casino cash: $13930126 VARSITY	Kiss my ass Herm. __________________ My dear girl, there are some things that just aren’t done. Such as, drinking Dom Perignon ’53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.
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11-19-2007, 11:28 PM	#3
KcMizzou Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Parkville MO Casino cash: $10005170	So he's basically saying... We realize we can't do anything, so we're not going to try to do anything. Did I get that right?
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11-19-2007, 11:34 PM	#13
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I think you nailed it, Mr. KcMizzou. Cognitive dissonance at work. You know, if his own players (who, assumably, know themselves) think they can do more, Herm has no business accusing the "fans" of being unrealistic in thinking we should at least try to pick up first downs. Jesus. He says that, if Kolby had run for 15 yards on first down, he would have gone for it. Hell, if Kolby could run for 15 yards, things would be entirely different for everybody. His excuses and explanations are literally ridiculous. FAX
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11-19-2007, 11:34 PM	#14
TinyEvel Just a li'l Evel Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bald. Goatee. Jorts. Casino cash: $5267131	OMFG I really am beginning to think he's off his rocker. When we hired Herm I was working with a Jets fan. He said, "Just wait, the guy makes BAD DECISIONS during games. You'll see." Now I'm seeing. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football..." "BECAUSE THEY ARE RUNNING YOUR PLAYS!!!" 3rd and long and you hand it to your third string rookie running back? Or pass it to the line of scrimmage? Last edited by TinyEvel; 11-20-2007 at 12:29 PM..
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