Chiefs Bob Gretz 8/28: Chiefs still looking for a NT

**RealSNR** · 08-28-2009, 03:46 PM

Great article today on what the Chiefs need at NT. Gretz did a great job lining up a conversation with Tank that people like Teicher are too lazy to get ahold of.

DEFENSE NEEDS A NOSE … FRIDAY CUP O’CHIEFS
August 28, 2009 - Bob Gretz | Comments (40)

If a team is going to play the 3-4 defensive scheme, one position must be solid: nose tackle.

Without a guy playing heads up on the center and disturbing the offensive line blocking assignments, the rest of the defense just doesn’t work right. It’s like lining up the dominos; if the nose tackle can hold his ground inside and force two blockers to work him over, he starts a chain reaction that rolls like a wave all the way out to the secondary.

With pre-season game No. 3 just a day away, the Chiefs are still searching for the right combination at nose tackle in their new 3-4 defense. Ron Edwards (left), Tank Tyler and Derek Lokey have played the position and so far; their consistency and their production has been found wanting.
And that comes from the head coach.

“We are still searching,” said Todd Haley. “That’s why we were rotating last game and we’ll probably be in a similar mode this week in trying to get one or a couple of those guys to step up and show they want the job.”

Good nose tackles tend to be nasty sorts. The position was basically created for guys like Curley Culp when he was with the Chiefs. His teammates used to call him Surly Culp, but never to his face. The position requires a big and strong man, with a mean disposition

“That’s a man’s position, especially as much of the 3-4 that we’re playing,” said Haley. “When you’re the nose and you’re in there a lot of that is just want-to. You’re fighting, scratching, clawing and it’s not for everyone.
“I think all three of the guys have the ability to do it, it’s just a matter of getting it done on a consistent basis.”

There’s no question that Edwards and Tyler are big enough. Edwards is listed at 6-3, 315 pounds and Tyler is 6-2, 305 pounds. Lokey is on the small side at 6-1, 285 pounds.

But Edwards is one of the quietest players on the Chiefs roster and has never shown much in the way of nastiness on the field. Tyler is not always quiet, but he’s certainly not running around and playing like a nasty nose tackle.

“I’m waiting to see Tank kind of … the thing I remember about Tank when he was coming out was just the nastiness that he played with,” said Haley. “I mean he was a bad dude and you didn’t want to mess around with him. So, I’m waiting to see a little more of that.”
Is Tank too nice these days?

“I don’t think I play nice,” Tyler said. “I play as hard and intense as I need to play and I’ve got a lot to give. I guess if he (Haley) thinks I should be tougher, I’d better be tougher.

“Down in the trenches you have to have some meanness and a nasty streak in you to hit another man in the mouth on every play … I can turn it up 100 notches. I can always get better. I want to continue to get better every day.”
Tyler says he loves the nose.

“The 3-4 is a very exciting defense and being right there in the middle, right there in the heart of it, it’s like all eyes are on you and I’m prepared for that,” the third-year pro out of North Carolina state said. “There are different blocking schemes that people use on the nose in the 3-4, but it’s still getting off the ball, gaining penetration and being aggressive on every snap.”

That’s exactly what Haley hasn’t seen from his nose tackles on a consistent basis: getting off the ball, penetration and aggression. There are plays where Edwards looks unblockable as he mauls interior linemen during a practice. There are plays where Tyler blows up plays with his quick penetration in the A gap.

And then there are times when they disappear. For the 3-4 to be successful there can be no disappearing acts from the nose tackle.
Right now, Todd Haley just wants somebody to stand up and claim the job.

**Bane** · 08-28-2009, 03:49 PM

2 man enter 1 man leave.That will decide it once and for all!!!

Pitt Gorilla · 08-28-2009, 03:49 PM

Ziggy Hood would have been perfect for the Chiefs.

Just Passin' By · 08-28-2009, 03:50 PM

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Demonpenz · 08-28-2009, 03:54 PM

I was noticing our NT getting pushed all over the place our first game. So I started tooling around with the new madden and found sucess making some changes to the 3-4. First one of the problems with our NT is they he isn't strong enough at the point of attack. So I tried putting two guys where the NT is, but spread them out just a bit like over the guards so they couldn't just got the two guys in the middle. The next thing is I moved Hali in a bit to be over the Tackle. Now since I had to bring in another guy to help the NT get some push I dropped out the weakest linebacker completely. It seemed to help work on getting good push up the middle. To assist hali I also had him in a 3 point stance. Dorsey seemed to be more natural in the NTAP or the Nose tack assist position.

RustShack · 08-28-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Ziggy Hood would have been perfect for the Chiefs.

He would be a DE, not a NT.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-28-2009, 03:56 PM

Shocking that no one is working out at NT, none of them are big enough, IMO.

The best 34 NT's are all around 325-340.

Pitt Gorilla · 08-28-2009, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack

He would be a DE, not a NT.

I suppose that is true.

Demonpenz · 08-28-2009, 03:59 PM

we should get brock lesner

Mr. Krab · 08-28-2009, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Tyler said. “I play as hard and intense as I need to play

Big problem
The answer should be "I play as hard and intense as i CAN"

I think Tank's issue so far has been laziness more than lack of talent.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-28-2009, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack

He would be a DE, not a NT.

No, he wouldn't.

Peter King even said this week that Hood will replace Casey Hampton sooner than later.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-28-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab

Big problem
The answer should be "I play as hard and intense as i CAN"

I think Tank's issue so far has been laziness more than lack of talent.

I don't think it's laziness, per se. I just don't think he's been motivated and coached to play hard.

In college, he was dominant because of his athleticism. It happens to a lot of guys who turn pro. If they aren't coached properly, they fail.

The good thing is that Tyler's not moping and says he can turn it up.

That's a good sign.

Oregon chief · 08-28-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I was noticing our NT getting pushed all over the place our first game. So I started tooling around with the new madden and found sucess making some changes to the 3-4. First one of the problems with our NT is they he isn't strong enough at the point of attack. So I tried putting two guys where the NT is, but spread them out just a bit like over the guards so they couldn't just got the two guys in the middle. The next thing is I moved Hali in a bit to be over the Tackle. Now since I had to bring in another guy to help the NT get some push I dropped out the weakest linebacker completely. It seemed to help work on getting good push up the middle. To assist hali I also had him in a 3 point stance. Dorsey seemed to be more natural in the NTAP or the Nose tack assist position.

If you substitue the nose with tackle with two guys lined up over the gaurds isn't that just a 4-3?

Demonpenz · 08-28-2009, 04:04 PM

3wnta-4

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-28-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oregon chief

If you substitue the nose with tackle with two guys lined up over the gaurds isn't that just a 4-3?

No.

The duties and athleticism required by the 4-3 lineman is different.

Tyson Jackson doesn't have the pass rushing skills of Julius Peppers, Mario Williams, Bruce Smith, Neil Smith, etc.

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $1930208	Bob Gretz 8/28: Chiefs still looking for a NT Great article today on what the Chiefs need at NT. Gretz did a great job lining up a conversation with Tank that people like Teicher are too lazy to get ahold of. DEFENSE NEEDS A NOSE … FRIDAY CUP O’CHIEFS August 28, 2009 - Bob Gretz \| Comments (40) If a team is going to play the 3-4 defensive scheme, one position must be solid: nose tackle. Without a guy playing heads up on the center and disturbing the offensive line blocking assignments, the rest of the defense just doesn’t work right. It’s like lining up the dominos; if the nose tackle can hold his ground inside and force two blockers to work him over, he starts a chain reaction that rolls like a wave all the way out to the secondary. With pre-season game No. 3 just a day away, the Chiefs are still searching for the right combination at nose tackle in their new 3-4 defense. Ron Edwards (left), Tank Tyler and Derek Lokey have played the position and so far; their consistency and their production has been found wanting. And that comes from the head coach. “We are still searching,” said Todd Haley. “That’s why we were rotating last game and we’ll probably be in a similar mode this week in trying to get one or a couple of those guys to step up and show they want the job.” Good nose tackles tend to be nasty sorts. The position was basically created for guys like Curley Culp when he was with the Chiefs. His teammates used to call him Surly Culp, but never to his face. The position requires a big and strong man, with a mean disposition “That’s a man’s position, especially as much of the 3-4 that we’re playing,” said Haley. “When you’re the nose and you’re in there a lot of that is just want-to. You’re fighting, scratching, clawing and it’s not for everyone. “I think all three of the guys have the ability to do it, it’s just a matter of getting it done on a consistent basis.” There’s no question that Edwards and Tyler are big enough. Edwards is listed at 6-3, 315 pounds and Tyler is 6-2, 305 pounds. Lokey is on the small side at 6-1, 285 pounds. But Edwards is one of the quietest players on the Chiefs roster and has never shown much in the way of nastiness on the field. Tyler is not always quiet, but he’s certainly not running around and playing like a nasty nose tackle. “I’m waiting to see Tank kind of … the thing I remember about Tank when he was coming out was just the nastiness that he played with,” said Haley. “I mean he was a bad dude and you didn’t want to mess around with him. So, I’m waiting to see a little more of that.” Is Tank too nice these days? “I don’t think I play nice,” Tyler said. “I play as hard and intense as I need to play and I’ve got a lot to give. I guess if he (Haley) thinks I should be tougher, I’d better be tougher. “Down in the trenches you have to have some meanness and a nasty streak in you to hit another man in the mouth on every play … I can turn it up 100 notches. I can always get better. I want to continue to get better every day.” Tyler says he loves the nose. “The 3-4 is a very exciting defense and being right there in the middle, right there in the heart of it, it’s like all eyes are on you and I’m prepared for that,” the third-year pro out of North Carolina state said. “There are different blocking schemes that people use on the nose in the 3-4, but it’s still getting off the ball, gaining penetration and being aggressive on every snap.” That’s exactly what Haley hasn’t seen from his nose tackles on a consistent basis: getting off the ball, penetration and aggression. There are plays where Edwards looks unblockable as he mauls interior linemen during a practice. There are plays where Tyler blows up plays with his quick penetration in the A gap. And then there are times when they disappear. For the 3-4 to be successful there can be no disappearing acts from the nose tackle. Right now, Todd Haley just wants somebody to stand up and claim the job.
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