Chiefs Be the GM, Put it all together

whoman69 · 04:21 PM

We've gone through every position except kicking which I didn't think was necessary. Let's put the plans together, come up with a realistic Plan A and Plan B or even plan C. Let's see the cuts, draft ideas, trade bait, re-signs and where we look to in FA.

Here's what we are looking at:
Albert, Branden OT
Arenas, Javier DB
Asamoah, Jon OG
Bailey, Allen DE
Bair, Brandon DE
Baldwin, Jon WR
Battle, Jackie RB
Becht, Anthony TE *
Belcher, Jovan ILB *
Berry, Eric SS
Bowe, Dwayne WR *
Breaston, Steve WR
Brown, Jalil DB
Carr, Brandon CB *
Cassel, Matt QB
Charles, Jamaal RB
Colquitt, Dustin P
Copper, Terrance WR
Daniels, Travis DB
Dorsey, Glenn DE
Draughn, Shaun RB
Flowers, Brandon CB
Gafford, Thomas LS
Gilberry, Wallace DE *
Gordon, Amon DE
Greenwood, Cory LB
Gregg, Kelly NT *
Hali, Tamba OLB
Horne, Jeremy WR
Houston, Justin OLB
Hudson, Rodney G
Jackson, Tyson DE
Johnson, Derrick ILB
Jones, Thomas RB *
Langford, Reshard SS*
Lewis, Kendrick FS
Lilja, Ryan G
Maneri, Steve T
McClain, Le'Ron FB *
McCluster, Dexter RB
McGraw, Jon SS *
Miller, Gabe LB
Mims, David OL
Moeaki, Tony TE
O'Callaghan, Ryan OT
O'Connell, Jake TE
Orton, Kyle QB *
Palko, Tyler QB
Piscitelli, Sabby SS
Pope, Leonard TE
Powe, Jerrell NT
Richardson, Barry OT *
Sheffield, Cameron OLB
Siler, Brandon LB
Stanzi, Ricky QB
Studebaker, Andy OLB
Succop, Ryan K
Urban, Jerheme WR
Washington, Donald SS
Wiegmann, Casey C *
Williams, Demorrio LB

* denotes FA

whoman69 · 01-17-2012, 04:58 PM

cut/not re-signed
Becht
Gregg
Jones
Langford
McGraw
Piscawhosis
O'Connell
O'Callaghan
Palko
Richardson
Wiegman
Urban

re-sign
Carr
Bowe
Orton
Belzer

Plan A: Use Cassel and Dorsey as trade bait to move up and get a QB. Round 2 draft Alameda Ta'amu NT. Use remainder of draft to get RT, TE, RB, S, oline depth.
Plan B: If Carr not re-signed draft Kirkpatrick, If Belzer not resigned draft Hightower, or as last resort Martin.

keg in kc · 01-17-2012, 05:04 PM

I don't think Cassel has any value whatsoever as trade bait. Although we might be able to give somebody a 3rd rounder to take him off our hands.

I also would not trade Dorsey. I tend to think that people underestimate his actual value to the defense, and I wonder what kind of player he might be when they finally do acquire the nose tackle they've been missing for so long (if they ever do).

And I think the amount it will likely take to move up this year will be prohibitive from the position we are. I know it's unpopular, but I'd move the other direction. And I would still look QB. Because I think the odds are you can find a 2nd tier QB (read: not Luck or Griffin) in the 20s who's just as good as one you can get in the teens. Hell, you might well get the guy you targeted in the teens after you trade down.

whoman69 · 01-17-2012, 06:43 PM

Not saying this is you in any way keg, but we get dozens of people here every year and their answer is always trade down. To trade down you need somebody that teams want to move up for. I don't see that happen often at the #11/12 spot in the draft. Kirkpatrick probably knocked himself down with his mj bust. Maybe Martin. What are we going to get for moving down? At best its a 3rd or 4th. There will be someone there that we want at our spot who will be gone if we trade down that will not be there if we wait. I see Bellichick moving down almost every year and never seeming to pick up anyone.

keg in kc · 01-17-2012, 06:52 PM

I am in general far more in favor of trading down than I am in trading up. I don't think it's worth it from the standpoint of the team giving up the picks to move, and that's been in past years. (I'm talking in terms of big jumps up; if we're talking 3-4 picks that's something else). I think this year may end up being the most expensive ever in terms of moving up, into top-5 territory, and I don't think a move from our position is very likely or worth what it will take. I don't know how much I agree or disagree with Pioli in general, but I do not believe that any one player, even a franchise quarterback, is worth the number of other players that I think it will take this year.

As far as the possibility of trading down, fine, stay put and draft a quarterback there. I have no problem with that. I think you're going to have to pick in the first two picks to get the Luck/Griffin, and I don't think we have what it takes to get there or that should spend it if we did. I do think it would be worth it to pick a second tier quarterback, whoever that might be. Let's say we get this year's equivalent of Mark Sanchez at the spot he should have been taken, that is to say somewhere between 10 and 25. Or trade down and take the next one later in the round, whoever this year's equivalent of Josh Freeman is. That's still a player with a fair chance of developing into the quarterback that you want, certainly (IMO...) a better alternative than trading for the next Matt Cassel or hoping that a low round pick blossoms into the next Tom Brady.

All that said, I doubt we go QB...

whoman69 · 01-17-2012, 07:08 PM

I don't see any QBs that would not be a reach in round one beyond Luck/RG3.

Barret · 01-17-2012, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69

cut/not re-signed
Becht = TE
Gregg = DT
Jones = RB
Langford = S
McGraw = S = Keep
Piscawhosis = S
O'Connell = TE
O'Callaghan = T
Palko = QB
Richardson = T
Wiegman = C
Urban = WR

re-sign
Carr = CB
Bowe = WR
Orton = QB
Belzer = LB?

Ok I would also say to cut Cassel as well to save on money. There is no sense in having that much money in 2 QB's if you are going to resign Orton.

In the draft take the following:

1st: Peter Konz - C Wisconsin - Solidify the Center of the line
2nd: Markelle Martin - S Oklahoma State - Fill in for the junk Chiefs dumped above
3rd: Doug Martin - RB Boise State - Takes Jones Carries
4th: Nick Foles - QB Arizona - Orton is 1st string and let Stanzi and Foles battle it out
5th: LaDarius Green - TE Lafayette - Come on you know a TE is going to be taken
6th: Ryan Martin - OT Colorado - Right Tackle taken here
7th: Max Gruder - ILB Pittsburgh. - Special teams

On to Free Agent signings: I gathered this information here
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/dl.html

NT - Paul Soliai - currently with Miami. 28yrs old 6'4 355 lbs
TE - Visanthe Shiancoe - Currently with Minn. Need a target to give Moeaki some rest.
OT - Unknown but a stop sign is better then Richardson

Other signings:

Look for some special team players that might have to be replaced since there could have been some dumped from the above cuts.

Note: This is all Conservative, no trade up for a QB which I just don't think the Chiefs can or will do. Center is greatly needed to support a run game and Safety got exposed all year with no Eric Berry. I am unsure if these players will actually be there in those rounds but I used the http://drafttek.com/new%20simulator/ and they were all within 2 to 3 picks of KC. The simulator had the Chiefs at #10 though so I think it is a bit older.

The FA thoughts were this. I didn't follow Soliai out of Miami but figured 355lbs of meat should at least look like a NT that the Chiefs haven't had. Swap him out with Powe for a breather. Still don't understand why Powe wasn't used more just to see what he had. The whole Haley thing is just disturbing on why players were and weren't played.

Just my .10 Cents

Mr_Tomahawk · 01-17-2012, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barret

Ok I would also say to cut Cassel as well to save on money. There is no sense in having that much money in 2 QB's if you are going to resign Orton.

In the draft take the following:

1st: Peter Konz - C Wisconsin - Solidify the Center of the line
2nd: Markelle Martin - S Oklahoma State - Fill in for the junk Chiefs dumped above
3rd: Doug Martin - RB Boise State - Takes Jones Carries
4th: Nick Foles - QB Arizona - Orton is 1st string and let Stanzi and Foles battle it out
5th: LaDarius Green - TE Lafayette - Come on you know a TE is going to be taken
6th: Ryan Martin - OT Colorado - Right Tackle taken here
7th: Max Gruder - ILB Pittsburgh. - Special teams

On to Free Agent signings: I gathered this information here
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/dl.html

NT - Paul Soliai - currently with Miami. 28yrs old 6'4 355 lbs
TE - Visanthe Shiancoe - Currently with Minn. Need a target to give Moeaki some rest.
OT - Unknown but a stop sign is better then Richardson

Other signings:

Look for some special team players that might have to be replaced since there could have been some dumped from the above cuts.

Note: This is all Conservative, no trade up for a QB which I just don't think the Chiefs can or will do. Center is greatly needed to support a run game and Safety got exposed all year with no Eric Berry. I am unsure if these players will actually be there in those rounds but I used the http://drafttek.com/new%20simulator/ and they were all within 2 to 3 picks of KC. The simulator had the Chiefs at #10 though so I think it is a bit older.

The FA thoughts were this. I didn't follow Soliai out of Miami but figured 355lbs of meat should at least look like a NT that the Chiefs haven't had. Swap him out with Powe for a breather. Still don't understand why Powe wasn't used more just to see what he had. The whole Haley thing is just disturbing on why players were and weren't played.

Just my .10 Cents

I would be happy with this.

el borracho · 01-17-2012, 07:24 PM

Cut Cassel
Orton walks (we get a compensation pick)

then:
A) trade player (Bowe, Carr, Dorsey) and 2012 1st to move up and take Luck/RGIII/Bradford; Luck/RGIII/Bradford start in 2012
B) trade 2012 2nd round pick for Mallet; Mallet starts in 2012
B) trade down in 2012 for 2013 pick (to be used on QB); Stanzi starts 2012

chop · 01-17-2012, 08:38 PM

I hope the Chiefs make a run at G. Olsen or J. Finley.

Urc Burry · 01-17-2012, 08:41 PM

WANT Carl Nicks

O.city · 01-17-2012, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69

cut/not re-signed
Becht
Gregg
Jones
Langford
McGraw
Piscawhosis
O'Connell
O'Callaghan
Palko
Richardson
Wiegman
Urban

re-sign
Carr
Bowe
Orton
Belzer

Plan A: Use Cassel and Dorsey as trade bait to move up and get a QB. Round 2 draft Alameda Ta'amu NT. Use remainder of draft to get RT, TE, RB, S, oline depth.
Plan B: If Carr not re-signed draft Kirkpatrick, If Belzer not resigned draft Hightower, or as last resort Martin.

I'd probably cut who you cut, save for Richardson. I don't think he would be a terrible swing tackle back up kinda guy.

If I wasn't trading up to get one of the top two qbs, I'd probably sit where I was or trade back if someone would be willing.

In free agency, I'd go hard after Soliai and Carl Nicks, thus moving Hudson to C. Draft the best RT in round 2. Get depth everywhere I can.

Extra Point · 01-17-2012, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69

cut/not re-signed
Becht
Gregg
Jones
Langford
McGraw
Piscawhosis
O'Connell
O'Callaghan
Palko
Richardson
Wiegman
Urban

re-sign
Carr
Bowe
Orton
Belzer

Plan A: Use Cassel and Dorsey as trade bait to move up and get a QB. Round 2 draft Alameda Ta'amu NT. Use remainder of draft to get RT, TE, RB, S, oline depth.
Plan B: If Carr not re-signed draft Kirkpatrick, If Belzer not resigned draft Hightower, or as last resort Martin.

I'll buy that for an electronic dollar.

01-17-2012, 01:09 PM
whoman69 The Master Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Marion, IA Casino cash: $10004925	Be the GM, Put it all together We've gone through every position except kicking which I didn't think was necessary. Let's put the plans together, come up with a realistic Plan A and Plan B or even plan C. Let's see the cuts, draft ideas, trade bait, re-signs and where we look to in FA. Here's what we are looking at: Albert, Branden OT Arenas, Javier DB Asamoah, Jon OG Bailey, Allen DE Bair, Brandon DE Baldwin, Jon WR Battle, Jackie RB Becht, Anthony TE * Belcher, Jovan ILB * Berry, Eric SS Bowe, Dwayne WR * Breaston, Steve WR Brown, Jalil DB Carr, Brandon CB * Cassel, Matt QB Charles, Jamaal RB Colquitt, Dustin P Copper, Terrance WR Daniels, Travis DB Dorsey, Glenn DE Draughn, Shaun RB Flowers, Brandon CB Gafford, Thomas LS Gilberry, Wallace DE * Gordon, Amon DE Greenwood, Cory LB Gregg, Kelly NT * Hali, Tamba OLB Horne, Jeremy WR Houston, Justin OLB Hudson, Rodney G Jackson, Tyson DE Johnson, Derrick ILB Jones, Thomas RB * Langford, Reshard SS* Lewis, Kendrick FS Lilja, Ryan G Maneri, Steve T McClain, Le'Ron FB * McCluster, Dexter RB McGraw, Jon SS * Miller, Gabe LB Mims, David OL Moeaki, Tony TE O'Callaghan, Ryan OT O'Connell, Jake TE Orton, Kyle QB * Palko, Tyler QB Piscitelli, Sabby SS Pope, Leonard TE Powe, Jerrell NT Richardson, Barry OT * Sheffield, Cameron OLB Siler, Brandon LB Stanzi, Ricky QB Studebaker, Andy OLB Succop, Ryan K Urban, Jerheme WR Washington, Donald SS Wiegmann, Casey C * Williams, Demorrio LB * denotes FA Last edited by whoman69; 01-17-2012 at 04:21 PM..
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01-17-2012, 05:04 PM	#3
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I don't think Cassel has any value whatsoever as trade bait. Although we might be able to give somebody a 3rd rounder to take him off our hands. I also would not trade Dorsey. I tend to think that people underestimate his actual value to the defense, and I wonder what kind of player he might be when they finally do acquire the nose tackle they've been missing for so long (if they ever do). And I think the amount it will likely take to move up this year will be prohibitive from the position we are. I know it's unpopular, but I'd move the other direction. And I would still look QB. Because I think the odds are you can find a 2nd tier QB (read: not Luck or Griffin) in the 20s who's just as good as one you can get in the teens. Hell, you might well get the guy you targeted in the teens after you trade down.
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01-17-2012, 06:52 PM	#5
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I am in general far more in favor of trading down than I am in trading up. I don't think it's worth it from the standpoint of the team giving up the picks to move, and that's been in past years. (I'm talking in terms of big jumps up; if we're talking 3-4 picks that's something else). I think this year may end up being the most expensive ever in terms of moving up, into top-5 territory, and I don't think a move from our position is very likely or worth what it will take. I don't know how much I agree or disagree with Pioli in general, but I do not believe that any one player, even a franchise quarterback, is worth the number of other players that I think it will take this year. As far as the possibility of trading down, fine, stay put and draft a quarterback there. I have no problem with that. I think you're going to have to pick in the first two picks to get the Luck/Griffin, and I don't think we have what it takes to get there or that should spend it if we did. I do think it would be worth it to pick a second tier quarterback, whoever that might be. Let's say we get this year's equivalent of Mark Sanchez at the spot he should have been taken, that is to say somewhere between 10 and 25. Or trade down and take the next one later in the round, whoever this year's equivalent of Josh Freeman is. That's still a player with a fair chance of developing into the quarterback that you want, certainly (IMO...) a better alternative than trading for the next Matt Cassel or hoping that a low round pick blossoms into the next Tom Brady. All that said, I doubt we go QB... Last edited by keg in kc; 01-17-2012 at 06:57 PM..
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01-17-2012, 07:24 PM	#9
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2709148	Cut Cassel Orton walks (we get a compensation pick) then: A) trade player (Bowe, Carr, Dorsey) and 2012 1st to move up and take Luck/RGIII/Bradford; Luck/RGIII/Bradford start in 2012 B) trade 2012 2nd round pick for Mallet; Mallet starts in 2012 B) trade down in 2012 for 2013 pick (to be used on QB); Stanzi starts 2012
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01-17-2012, 08:38 PM	#10
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $944270	I hope the Chiefs make a run at G. Olsen or J. Finley. __________________ Never be satisfied with what you achieve, because it all pales in comparison with what you are capable of doing in the future.
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01-17-2012, 08:41 PM	#11
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