PFT take on King Carl v Saban

[SBK]

CHIEFS, FINS NEED A FACE-SAVER With the Chiefs and cornerback Patrick Surtain in agreement on a long-term deal, the only obstacle to consummation is the fact that Surtain is still the property of the Dolphins. And the two teams have their heels dug in tighter than a six-year-old who's been asked to kiss Auntie Moustache. The Fins want a second-round pick and won't budge. The Chiefs will give up a four. And won't budge. A reasonable person might look at this situation and conclude that a third-rounder will get it done. But reasonableness goes out the window when marble-headed guys like the Nicktator and King Carl are at the bargaining table, even if the Chiefs had a third-rounder which they could trade (which they don't, due to the John Wellbourn trade). So, as one league insider 'splained to us, the two sides will need a way to create the impression that they got that they wanted (or more) without giving up anything of consequence. A superficial meeting in the middle, in order words, likely won't be enough. Instead, it will require some creativity, possibly introduced through an intermediary. Perhaps the deal happens with a fourth-round pick now and a conditional second-rounder in 2005, based on Surtain's playing time or picks. Then, it's a win-win -- if the Chiefs end up giving up more down the road, it's only because Surtain has exceeded expectations in K.C. Either way, stubbornness simply won't git 'er done. A second-round pick is too much for a guy whom the team has written out of its plans for the future. A fourth-round pick, however, is too low, given that the Pats gave up a third-round pick a month ago for Duane Starks. Even though the stakes are slightly different, the psychological realities at play here are no different than the stare-down in which Kennedy and Kruschev engaged when the Soviets started shipping certain oversized cigars into Cuba. Whether the issue is the location of a 28-year-old cornerback or the destruction of a multimillion-year-old planet, hard-headed men would rather do stupid than be perceived weak. So a resolution to this one is hardly a no-brainer, and it will require a solution that enables both Saban and Peterson to persuade themselves (and, more importantly, others) that they got the better end of the bargain.

Nice. Seems like a pretty good read on the situation.

[Deberg_1990]

Wasnt Surtain a 2nd rounder himself? Plus hes a Pro-Bowler right?? Why should the Fins want a 4th rounder for him then?? Typical Carl Low-Ball tactics. This is why we havent won crap in 16 years.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Wasnt Surtain a 2nd rounder himself? Plus hes a Pro-Bowler right?? Why should the Fins want a 4th rounder for him then?? Typical Carl Low-Ball tactics. This is why we havent won crap in 16 years.

If its such a lowball reply, why haven't the other 30 teams in the league gone out and beaten it? Its low but not by much. If you agree that it is lowball and then go out and upgrade that to a 2nd, you have upped the ante by 7x the value. They want a 2nd, they probably won't get it. The answer lies somewhere between the offers.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Phobia

Nice. Seems like a pretty good read on the situation.

yep ... pretty good take

[KCJake]

"A second-round pick is too much for a guy whom the team has written out of its plans for the future."
Agreed

[Mr. Laz]

hopefully we give a 5th this year and a 3rd next year ... that would be fantastic

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by Laz

hopefully we give a 5th this year and a 3rd next year ... that would be fantastic

That would be like a 4th and 5th this year. I think we would at least need to offer a 2nd next year.

[Miami Mike]

Originally Posted by Laz

hopefully we give a 5th this year and a 3rd next year ... that would be fantastic

That was funny.

[keg in kc]

Yeah, I think that about sums it up.

God, it's hard to type that without my usual PFT blast.

[SBK]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Yeah, I think that about sums it up.

God, it's hard to type that without my usual PFT blast.

I figured I'd see some good whacks directed at those guys....

This one seemed to be bout dead on. I don't know too many folks here that think a 2nd rounder is too high a price, or that a 4 isn't a low ball offer. Guess there's other folks that aren't KC homers out there that see it the same way.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by shortbuskid

I don't know too many folks here that think a 2nd rounder is too high a price

I do because of the contract, like I outlined on the other thread. I think if anyone in the league believed he warranted a second round pick he'd have been traded a month ago, even with the free agent market what it was.

or that a 4 isn't a low ball offer.

Oh, it is lowball, but it's the best we can do until we get into next year's picks (which I hope we are...).

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I do because of the contract, like I outlined on the other thread. I think if anyone in the league believed he warranted a second round pick he'd have been traded a month ago, even with the free agent market what it was.Oh, it is lowball, but it's the best we can do until we get into next year's picks (which I hope we are...).

A 4th is the best we can do?

I think that's reaching a tad bit.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

A 4th is the best we can do?

I think that's reaching a tad bit.

We would offer a three if we had a tradeable one. And I bet they would take it. The Welbourn trade has cost us more than you think.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

A 4th is the best we can do?

I think that's reaching a tad bit.

Come on, Frank, you're smarter than that. I was saying that short of giving up that 2nd round pick, using 4ths is the best we can do with this year's draft because of the Welbourn trade. We can't offer anything higher in terms of negotiating.