Question regarding Grbac...

**mlyonsd** · 12-01-2000, 03:08 PM

There seems to be a pretty even split among KC fans regarding Grbac sitting out the KC/SD with a bruised index finger.... Half claim he's a wuss... and half say he did the right thing.

My question is what if he had sat out say a KC/Denver or KC/Oakland game with playoff ramifications? ... I have no doubt what the current "Elvis is a wuss" faction would say, but what would the people who defend him sitting the SD game out say?....

If he did sit ... would his fellow players be behind his decision?

DoubleWannaB · 12-01-2000, 03:13 PM

He has been doing so well all season. I just can't imagine why in gods name he wouldn't play unless he felt it absolutely imparative that he bench himself. It's proposterious really. If that was the case then f*** him... but I really don't buy it. I am sure he would have a good reason considering.

[This message has been edited by bishop_74 (edited 12-01-2000).]

Gracie Dean · 12-01-2000, 03:13 PM

If he can't throw the ball effectively, he should sit PERIOD. Favre has taught us that lesson many times over. Since I'm not a dr. and haven't actually seen the finger, I don't think I can judge him either way. He's done a helluva job this season and the past several to overcome all the adversity. Far be it for me to criticize.

DoubleWannaB · 12-01-2000, 03:15 PM

I guess what I am saying is that I don't think he would keep himself out of a game unless he really felt it necessary and I respect his decision.

12-01-2000, 03:18 PM

Im not sure if I fit in the 'defend' category, because Im really unclear as to how the decision was made last week.

If EG had sit out a game with playoffs on the line, there obviously would have been more scrutiny/media questions about the decision and maybe we'd all have a little better idea of who ultimately made the decision.<BR>

TEX · 12-01-2000, 03:19 PM

I think he sat because he thought it was best for the team for the other qb to play....hindsite 20/20..i'm guessing he may have tried...but "I" thought Moon was good enough to beat SD??...shows what I know..

I do know that I had my share of sprained/bruised/broken/jammed fingers from wrestling and bull riding...and they can be worse than some bigger owies....sometimes the small things hurt the worst...

Gaz · 12-01-2000, 03:21 PM

He should have sat IMO. Just because Favre plays through injuries doesn't mean he is making the right decision. Grbac overcame the boos of the fans for 2-3 seasons, as well as an ugly hit to his elbow earlier this season. So I don't feel in a position to doubt his mental or physical fortitude.
Also he has too much to play for to sit a game out (possible pro-bowl berth). I believe he would have played if he was fit to and I think I'd have the same opinion if it had been a different division rival.

[This message has been edited by Cormac (edited 12-01-2000).]

ChiefsAlltheWay · 12-01-2000, 03:22 PM

Post #5

Case in point...getting grazed in the nuts...

[This message has been edited by scooter (edited 12-01-2000).]

TEX · 12-01-2000, 03:26 PM

Exactly..no BS,

"I just grazed you, it can't be that bad"...one of the worst things a woman can say IMO...

Clint in Wichita · 12-01-2000, 03:54 PM

I think the people throwing baseless accusations against Grbac are just doing it because they want to complain about something. There is no shred of evidence to support their claims. Gunther says today that Elvis was upset that Gun wouldn't allow him to play. Now whether you want to believe Gun or not, I'll take his word over some wuss sportswriter who wasn't even with the team. If he could have played he would have played and jumped at the chance to throw another 5 TD's against San Diego. I think that if it was an important game and not against an 0-11 team he would have fought to play and the coaches would actually have been more willing to let him play. And I also think it would have hurt our team, because he couldn't grip the ball and put any zip on it, he would get picked off 4 times and fumble it, and then fans would be all over him for hurting the team by playing injured, not praising him for gutting it out...

12-01-2000, 04:08 PM

I hate to hear any player being questioned this way. TD has been going through the same thing in Denver.

I like to think that all players play when they are capable of playing. IMO if a player sits, he should be sitting. I don't question a players heart, or desire, or motive.

IMO, if Grbac didn't play, he couldn't play, bottom line.

Go Chiefs · 12-01-2000, 04:26 PM

I know alot of people have said this, but I think it warrants repeating. Why would he sit in this game? He had to be salivating at the thought of tossing 3+ TD's against these chumps. This guys has endured more from the "fans" than any one person could, would or should. He's broken bones, he's been crushed (that's for you Gaz)and he still shows up every day to give it his all for these "fans".

He sat simply because he could not play at the level needed and the organization thought grandpa could handle it. They all were wrong.

This crap about Favre is just that - CRAP. Hasselbeck should have been playing half of last year and this year. Favre is not the Favre of the SB teams!

[This message has been edited by WisChief (edited 12-01-2000).]

ColoradoChief · 12-01-2000, 04:27 PM

I think it's unfair to judge him as a ***** when nobody knows what the injury is. He took a pretty good shot to his elbow earlier in the year. I didn't hear anyone praising his toughness then for playing through it. Since he did play with that injury, I would believe that he's not just being a *****, and that this injury actually would hamper his play. If his play is going to hurt the team, then, absolutely, sit yourself down.

[This message has been edited by G_Man (edited 12-01-2000).]

chief18 · 12-01-2000, 04:31 PM

I've watched this guy for years. Had season tickets to the Michigan games when we was there - never forget that throw to Desmond Howard against Notre Dame.

Bottom line is Elvis is no *****. This is one tough sumb*tch physically. Mentally - well look at all the crap he's taken in KC - not to mention scumbag Willie Brown.

If he sat - it was with good reason.

Cannibal · 12-01-2000, 07:23 PM

For all of you who think Elvis is tough I have two questions for you.

1. When was the last time you saw Grbac run for a first down and take a hit going for it rather than sliding or running out of bounds short of the marker?

2. When have you ever seen Elvis attempt to tackle someone who just picked him off?<P>

12-01-2000, 03:13 PM	#2
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	He has been doing so well all season. I just can't imagine why in gods name he wouldn't play unless he felt it absolutely imparative that he bench himself. It's proposterious really. If that was the case then f*** him... but I really don't buy it. I am sure he would have a good reason considering. [This message has been edited by bishop_74 (edited 12-01-2000).]
Posts: 940

12-01-2000, 03:13 PM	#3
Gracie Dean MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	If he can't throw the ball effectively, he should sit PERIOD. Favre has taught us that lesson many times over. Since I'm not a dr. and haven't actually seen the finger, I don't think I can judge him either way. He's done a helluva job this season and the past several to overcome all the adversity. Far be it for me to criticize.
Posts: 12,955

12-01-2000, 03:15 PM	#4
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I guess what I am saying is that I don't think he would keep himself out of a game unless he really felt it necessary and I respect his decision.
Posts: 940

12-01-2000, 03:19 PM	#6
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $2003127	I think he sat because he thought it was best for the team for the other qb to play....hindsite 20/20..i'm guessing he may have tried...but "I" thought Moon was good enough to beat SD??...shows what I know.. I do know that I had my share of sprained/bruised/broken/jammed fingers from wrestling and bull riding...and they can be worse than some bigger owies....sometimes the small things hurt the worst...
Posts: 34,773

12-01-2000, 03:21 PM	#7
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	He should have sat IMO. Just because Favre plays through injuries doesn't mean he is making the right decision. Grbac overcame the boos of the fans for 2-3 seasons, as well as an ugly hit to his elbow earlier this season. So I don't feel in a position to doubt his mental or physical fortitude. Also he has too much to play for to sit a game out (possible pro-bowl berth). I believe he would have played if he was fit to and I think I'd have the same opinion if it had been a different division rival. [This message has been edited by Cormac (edited 12-01-2000).]
Posts: 5,911

12-01-2000, 03:08 PM
mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $1313762	There seems to be a pretty even split among KC fans regarding Grbac sitting out the KC/SD with a bruised index finger.... Half claim he's a wuss... and half say he did the right thing. My question is what if he had sat out say a KC/Denver or KC/Oakland game with playoff ramifications? ... I have no doubt what the current "Elvis is a wuss" faction would say, but what would the people who defend him sitting the SD game out say?.... If he did sit ... would his fellow players be behind his decision?
Posts: 38,922

12-01-2000, 03:18 PM	#5
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	Im not sure if I fit in the 'defend' category, because Im really unclear as to how the decision was made last week. If EG had sit out a game with playoffs on the line, there obviously would have been more scrutiny/media questions about the decision and maybe we'd all have a little better idea of who ultimately made the decision.<BR>
Posts: n/a

12-01-2000, 03:22 PM	#8
ChiefsAlltheWay Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Post #5 Case in point...getting grazed in the nuts... [This message has been edited by scooter (edited 12-01-2000).]
Posts: 247

12-01-2000, 03:26 PM	#9
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $2003127	Exactly..no BS, "I just grazed you, it can't be that bad"...one of the worst things a woman can say IMO...
Posts: 34,773

12-01-2000, 03:54 PM	#10
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I think the people throwing baseless accusations against Grbac are just doing it because they want to complain about something. There is no shred of evidence to support their claims. Gunther says today that Elvis was upset that Gun wouldn't allow him to play. Now whether you want to believe Gun or not, I'll take his word over some wuss sportswriter who wasn't even with the team. If he could have played he would have played and jumped at the chance to throw another 5 TD's against San Diego. I think that if it was an important game and not against an 0-11 team he would have fought to play and the coaches would actually have been more willing to let him play. And I also think it would have hurt our team, because he couldn't grip the ball and put any zip on it, he would get picked off 4 times and fumble it, and then fans would be all over him for hurting the team by playing injured, not praising him for gutting it out...
Posts: 4,458

12-01-2000, 04:08 PM	#11
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	I hate to hear any player being questioned this way. TD has been going through the same thing in Denver. I like to think that all players play when they are capable of playing. IMO if a player sits, he should be sitting. I don't question a players heart, or desire, or motive. IMO, if Grbac didn't play, he couldn't play, bottom line.
Posts: n/a

12-01-2000, 04:26 PM	#12
Go Chiefs Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: St. Joseph, MO USA Casino cash: $10004900	I know alot of people have said this, but I think it warrants repeating. Why would he sit in this game? He had to be salivating at the thought of tossing 3+ TD's against these chumps. This guys has endured more from the "fans" than any one person could, would or should. He's broken bones, he's been crushed (that's for you Gaz)and he still shows up every day to give it his all for these "fans". He sat simply because he could not play at the level needed and the organization thought grandpa could handle it. They all were wrong. This crap about Favre is just that - CRAP. Hasselbeck should have been playing half of last year and this year. Favre is not the Favre of the SB teams! [This message has been edited by WisChief (edited 12-01-2000).]
Posts: 406

12-01-2000, 04:27 PM	#13
ColoradoChief Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Fort Collins, CO Casino cash: $10004900	I think it's unfair to judge him as a *** when nobody knows what the injury is. He took a pretty good shot to his elbow earlier in the year. I didn't hear anyone praising his toughness then for playing through it. Since he did play with that injury, I would believe that he's not just being a ***, and that this injury actually would hamper his play. If his play is going to hurt the team, then, absolutely, sit yourself down. [This message has been edited by G_Man (edited 12-01-2000).]
Posts: 2,876

12-01-2000, 04:31 PM	#14
chief18 Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I've watched this guy for years. Had season tickets to the Michigan games when we was there - never forget that throw to Desmond Howard against Notre Dame. Bottom line is Elvis is no ****. This is one tough sumbtch physically. Mentally - well look at all the crap he's taken in KC - not to mention scumbag Willie Brown. If he sat - it was with good reason.
Posts: 72

12-01-2000, 07:23 PM	#15
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	For all of you who think Elvis is tough I have two questions for you. 1. When was the last time you saw Grbac run for a first down and take a hit going for it rather than sliding or running out of bounds short of the marker? 2. When have you ever seen Elvis attempt to tackle someone who just picked him off?<P>
Posts: 9,306