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Nice. Seems like a pretty good read on the situation.
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Yeah, I think that about sums it up.
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04-03-2005, 11:44 AM | #4 |
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Wasnt Surtain a 2nd rounder himself? Plus hes a Pro-Bowler right?? Why should the Fins want a 4th rounder for him then?? Typical Carl Low-Ball tactics. This is why we havent won crap in 16 years.
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Welbourn better end up being a solid, long term replacement for Shields, with what he has cost us.
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How about Surtain for Welbourn and Bartee?
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I think that's reaching a tad bit.
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They want draft picks.
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I wrote this the other night but did not post it because of time.
It seems that the trade of Patrick Surtain to the Kansas City Chiefs would be good for both clubs. KC gets the cornerback they need and Miami gets lower cost players/draft picks and salary cap help. Everyone that is following this process already knows this information. The problem that we have is that we have Carl Peterson that wants to maintain his image as a tough negotiator and a young coach/administrator in Nick Saban that can not afford to begin his image by letting another club force them into a less favorable trade. Both clubs need to come out looking like they have won in this situation. When things get tough what group can be counted on to perform for the Kansas City Chiefs? KC should once again rely on the offensive line to help bail them out of this situation. Miami’s offensive line is made up of Vernon Carey, Seth McKinney, Rex Hadnot, John St. Clair, Jeno James, Damion McIntosh, Wade Smith, Greg Jerman, and Taylor Whitley. It is no secret that the Dolphin’s offensive line could use help. Kansas City does not need to give up one of their starters to make this deal happen. KC needs to keep that group together and probably could not afford the cap hit that would happen with such a trade. That leaves Kevin Sampson, Brett Williams, Chris Bober, and John Welbourn. Chris Bober received a sizeable bonus on a five year deal last year. Like KC’s starters, Bober’s cap hit would be prohibitive to a trade. Brett Williams has not played enough to warrant any trade value. The Chiefs seem to be high on Kevin Sampson, but he only played in one more game than Williams and also does not have a lot of trade value. That leaves John Welbourn as the top choice to be traded. John’s salary for 2005 is $1,200,000 for this year. His total cap value for 2005 is $1,206,400 which means that his cap hit to trade, would be very little. Currently John Welbourn is not projected to be a starter for Kansas City. If the Philadelphia Eagles were willing to trade John because he wanted to make more money, should the Chiefs be concerned about his attitude if they demote him to the bench? Now why would Miami want John Welbourn? John could start for Miami. As proven in Kansas City, his best position is probably at guard. He has started in 66 games for two pretty good offensive lines. He can play other positions if they really need it. He is relatively young for an offensive lineman. He is only one year older than Brian Waters. He still has four years left on his contract at a pretty reasonable price, $1,200,000, $1,400,000, $1,700,000, and $2,000,000. If Kansas City combined John Welbourn with additional draft picks, it allows Miami to add to their offensive line plus obtain their much needed draft picks. This type of trade would allow both clubs to maintain face and strengthen their team. The one remaining question for Kansas City is; what are Will Shield’s future intentions? If Will plans to retire this year, then Welbourn becomes much more valuable to KC. Hopefully Kansas City can talk with Mr. Shields and resolve this question. |
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