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Old 04-28-2005, 05:59 PM  
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2nd guessing the Surtain trade - Did Saban pull a fast one?
I know hindsight is 20/20 and we surely needed a corner. I can't say I know all the details of Miami's salary cap situation either. I'm just wondering if Saban got a #2 pick out of us when he was set to let Surtain go on June 1st anyway? What do you guys think?

The reason I question it is because I had Matt Roth ranked in the top 2 or 3 on my list of DEs and they used our #2 pick to get him. It sure would've been nice to get him and now I'm gonna be pissed if he ends up being a pro bowler if I find out Saban was set to let Surtain walk away anyway.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:00 PM   #2
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Giving a 2 to secure the rights to Surtain is MORE than worth it. I'd rather not bid on Surtain with several other teams.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:02 PM   #3
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I know hindsight is 20/20 and we surely needed a corner. I can't say I know all the details of Miami's salary cap situation either. I'm just wondering if Saban got a #2 pick out of us when he was set to let Surtain go on June 1st anyway? What do you guys think?

The reason I question it is because I had Matt Roth ranked in the top 2 or 3 on my list of DEs and they used our #2 pick to get him. It sure would've been nice to get him and now I'm gonna be pissed if he ends up being a pro bowler if I find out Saban was set to let Surtain walk away anyway.
B_Ambuehl,

I'm guessing this is the reason you are listed as a rookie.

We got a Pro-Bowl CB for a 2nd round pick, plus moved up 24 spots in the 5th round. 'Nuff said.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:05 PM   #4
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Giving a 2 to secure the rights to Surtain is MORE than worth it. I'd rather not bid on Surtain with several other teams.

Yeah, this is one of those things that you can second-guess but at the end of the day this is one of those rare deals that, IMO, everybody won.

But to address your question I don't think there is any chance Miami would have let him go without getting something in return. Maybe they would have taken a third if push came to shove, but why even contemplate risking it?
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:05 PM   #5
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We did avoid the bidding war, and just looking at how a slew of CB's was taken on the first day and the apparent value they have in today's NFL, I think we got a pretty good deal only having to lose one draft pick really.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:05 PM   #6
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Saban is a rookie himself. He hasn't been around long enough to outsmart pro GM's. The Texans paid a much higher price for Buchanon who isn't as good as Surtain.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:13 PM   #7
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:16 PM   #8
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It is hard to second guess knowing what the Texans traded away for a much lower quality CB.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:17 PM   #9
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We did avoid the bidding war, and just looking at how a slew of CB's was taken on the first day and the apparent value they have in today's NFL, I think we got a pretty good deal only having to lose one draft pick really.
Yep..I think if the Chiefs had a pick in the top ten, I would hope they would gravitate to picking one the top corners in a draft just for this reason.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:24 PM   #10
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We did avoid the bidding war, and just looking at how a slew of CB's was taken on the first day and the apparent value they have in today's NFL, I think we got a pretty good deal only having to lose one draft pick really.
I didn't even think about that point. If we wouldn't have traded for him, we wouldn't have had to settle for one of the lower level CB's in this last draft and would still have B/B/M starting opposite Warfield.

Just not pretty at all.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:56 PM   #11
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The reason I question it is because I had Matt Roth ranked in the top 2 or 3 on my list of DEs and they used our #2 pick to get him.
Yeah, I wish we hadn't wasted our second rounder on one of the top five cornerbacks in the NFL, especially when we could've gotten a rookie DE in his place.

Do you also think he fleeced us by getting us to give them a fifth-round pick that was 24 spots behind the one he gave us?
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Old 04-28-2005, 07:02 PM   #12
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Yeah, I wish we hadn't wasted our second rounder on one of the top five cornerbacks in the NFL, especially when we could've gotten a rookie DE in his place.

Do you also think he fleeced us by getting us to give them a fifth-round pick that was 24 spots behind the one he gave us?
Why do you insist on making sense and ruining this guy's world?
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Yeah, I wish we hadn't wasted our second rounder on one of the top five cornerbacks in the NFL, especially when we could've gotten a rookie DE in his place.

Do you also think he fleeced us by getting us to give them a fifth-round pick that was 24 spots behind the one he gave us?
Playing the Raiders without having Surtain would have been painfull to watch, Moss would have absolutely killed us.
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Old 04-28-2005, 07:18 PM   #14
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I'm just wondering if Saban got a #2 pick out of us when he was set to let Surtain go on June 1st anyway? What do you guys think?
Hey, welcome to the Planet.

Surtain was in the last year of his contract. Miami would have gained no cap advantage from releasing him after June 1st. If they were going to release him, they would have done so in order to clear cap space for FAs they were pursuing. I think it was a good move.
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Miami would not have released Surtain. If they did not receive an offer to their liking they would have kept him this season. It had been known for a while that he would not be released.
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