Sizing up the DT's

Mecca · 01-22-2008, 08:16 PM

January 22, 2008

If you have ever watched the National Geographic Channel, you would know that the grizzly bear is a fearsome creature. When the grizzly bear stands on its hind legs, you know you are in trouble but don’t try to run because the grizzly bear is violently quick, running at an alarming 35 miles per hour.

In the 2008 draft, there are two defensive tackles that resemble grizzly bears. Louisiana State’s Glenn Dorsey and Southern Cal’s Sedrick Ellis are two of the most feared DTs to come out in the same year since 1994 when Dan Wilkinson and Bryant Young both went within the first seven selections of the NFL Draft.

One on One

When we break down the tape, both Dorsey and Ellis are fierce linemen with more physical tools than any highly regarded defensive tackle since Tommie Harris in 2004. We won’t get a confirmed height and weight for Glenn Dorsey until the NFL Combine, but he is reportedly 6’2”, 303 lbs. At the Senior Bowl, Sedrick Ellis sized in at 6’0”, 308 lbs.

LSU’s Glenn Dorsey recorded 7 sacks, 12.5 tackles for a loss, and 69 total tackles as a senior in 2007. He also forced 1 fumble, hurried the quarterback 3 times, and broke up 3 passes. Dorsey may have the ideal frame for a defensive tackle but his quickness is similar to a defensive end’s. He does well as a pass rusher and usually was double teamed in 2007. Despite playing hurt most of 2007, Dorsey managed to change the momentum of games, especially against South Carolina. Dorsey’s arm length doesn’t wow scouts but the ability to dominate in one-on-one situations and swallow any gap around him makes up for what he lacks physically.

The Trojans have had a hidden gem in Sedrick Ellis for some time but he didn’t begin to garnish national attention until his senior year. In 2007, Ellis filled up his stat sheet with 8.5 sacks, 12.5 tackles for a loss and 58 total tackles. He also had 1 quarterback hurry and 7 passes broken up. Ellis isn’t as big height-wise as scouts like, but his extraterrestrial strength and speed makes him a highly regarded prospect. He is very instinctive and leads with a very quick first step. Watching Ellis is like watching a fundamental video on how to shed blocks. He possesses sound techniques and has top-notch intangibles. Like Dorsey, Ellis has had injury problems, breaking his ankle in 2003 and injuring his left knee in 2006. When it comes to disrupting the fluidity on offense for opponents, there is not one prospect in this draft that can do that like Sedrick Ellis.

Natural Habitat

Unlike Ellis, Glenn Dorsey would be better suited for just the 4-3 defensive scheme. As you can see, Ellis could play in both the 3-4 and 4-3. Dorsey is solid in shedding blockers but isn’t the nose tackle prospect Haloti Ngata was a couple of years’ back. Meanwhile, Sedrick Ellis is a hog at both positions, relinquishing the power that the center and guards may have on him and dominating the trenches.

While you may be confused and start to wonder, how is Dorsey more highly regarded than Ellis? He simply isn’t. As you read this, there are scouts and pro personnel breaking down film trying to decipher who is better suited for what and who has shown more weakness than the other. At the end of the day, it may be a push. Dorsey has a quicker first step and may use his hands better than Ellis but Ellis is quicker to dominate a double-team than Dorsey. Both DTs have played through injuries during their time in school and both have anchored a BCS defense.

Conclusion

If there were any fair comparison’s to current NFL DTs, I would put Glenn Dorsey in the Kevin Williams category and place Sedrick Ellis in the Albert Haynesworth category. In all honesty though, there are no fair comparisons. Both have the upside as the aforementioned Pro Bowler’s. Both have the talent and value to award them with bank-breaking rookie contracts. The only difference between the two is that depending on defensive scheme, one will get drafted ahead of the other.

Don’t look for the Miami Dolphins to draft Glenn Dorsey if they put in place a 3-4 scheme. Instead, look for them to address another need or grab a defensive end. On the other hand, Dorsey would fit in well with the St. Louis Rams (to replace La’Roi Glover). Sedrick Ellis meanwhile would be a great fit for the Miami Dolphins but his stock is not quite that up that high yet. Ellis plays with a Warren Sapp-like mean streak and could fit in well with Oakland. Regardless of this speculation, both Dorsey and Ellis will be top 8 eight selections come April.

So who is the better prospect? Flip a coin -- you can’t be wrong with heads or tails. This is the perfect win-win scenario for a franchise picking early in the draft that needs to address the middle of their defensive line.

Hammock Parties · 01-22-2008, 08:17 PM

Please take one. Please.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-22-2008, 08:19 PM

but but but Jake Long isn't a DT

88TG88 · 01-22-2008, 08:19 PM

I can't wait.

xbarretx · 01-22-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Please take one. Please.

+1 since Long will most liley be gone...but either would give the Chiefs an A for rd 1 IMHO

Mecca · 01-22-2008, 08:21 PM

Sedrick Ellis is going to be what Herm thought DeWayne Robertson was....

If they take Long it's gonna look real stupid when Ellis is a monster and our teams best player is a DE.....and you can draft a starting LT in the 2nd round this year.

Delano · 01-22-2008, 08:22 PM

While some of that information is interesting, the article is very poorly written.

Why try to disguise a scouting report as an article?

Mecca · 01-22-2008, 08:23 PM

Well after those 2 guys the DT class drops off to a huge degree, so I can see why it's only about those 2 guys no one else is even close to them.

Brock · 01-22-2008, 08:23 PM

OT AT ALL COST KEEP OUR DEAR BRODIE SAFE

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-22-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

OT AT ALL COST KEEP OUR DEAR BRODIE SAFE

Delano · 01-22-2008, 08:24 PM

Ellis in the first round.

A big RT in the second round.

I don't think McIntosh is a good fit at RT, so keep him at LT for the time being. The line could be decent if the right side (C, RG, RT) was upgraded with LT and LG staying the same.

Pull the LT next year. I'd like to see Loadholt or Oher in a Chiefs uniform.

Mecca · 01-22-2008, 08:27 PM

To be perfectly honest, I think to much is being made of offensive line and how they have to fix it this year.

This team is bad, really bad. In all likely hood Croyle isn't the guy. Basically every position on the team needs new guys...this is going to be a years process not a 1 or 2 year process..

So why do people constantly talk about how the Oline must be fixed right now be damned every other position. So the Chiefs can attempt to compete and win 8 games next year?

I honestly don't give a shit what players they take as long as they are the best players and start right away. I don't care if they're first 3 picks are a DT a CB and a WR as long as they're all good and play right away.

xbarretx · 01-22-2008, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano

Ellis in the first round.

A big RT in the second round.

I don't think McIntosh is a good fit at RT, so keep him at LT for the time being. The line could be decent if the right side (C, RG, RT) was upgraded with LT and LG staying the same.

Pull the LT next year. I'd like to see Loadholt or Oher in a Chiefs uniform.

yes but with a lack at LT how can we properly evaluate any of our QB's? fi we do that and skip out on LT then were going to have to draft another QB b/c Brodie will be killed

Mecca · 01-22-2008, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbarretx

yes but with a lack at LT how can we properly evaluate any of our QB's? fi we do that and skip out on LT then were going to have to draft another QB b/c Brodie will be killed

We're gonna have to get another QB anyway.....so that doesn't concern me at all. The guy doesn't need the best line in the game to be considered "being given a shot".

Delano · 01-22-2008, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbarretx

yes but with a lack at LT how can we properly evaluate any of our QB's? fi we do that and skip out on LT then were going to have to draft another QB b/c Brodie will be killed

If McIntosh can make it through the entire season, the left side of the offensive line will be OK.

01-22-2008, 08:16 PM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2357050	Sizing up the DT's January 22, 2008 If you have ever watched the National Geographic Channel, you would know that the grizzly bear is a fearsome creature. When the grizzly bear stands on its hind legs, you know you are in trouble but don’t try to run because the grizzly bear is violently quick, running at an alarming 35 miles per hour. In the 2008 draft, there are two defensive tackles that resemble grizzly bears. Louisiana State’s Glenn Dorsey and Southern Cal’s Sedrick Ellis are two of the most feared DTs to come out in the same year since 1994 when Dan Wilkinson and Bryant Young both went within the first seven selections of the NFL Draft. One on One When we break down the tape, both Dorsey and Ellis are fierce linemen with more physical tools than any highly regarded defensive tackle since Tommie Harris in 2004. We won’t get a confirmed height and weight for Glenn Dorsey until the NFL Combine, but he is reportedly 6’2”, 303 lbs. At the Senior Bowl, Sedrick Ellis sized in at 6’0”, 308 lbs. LSU’s Glenn Dorsey recorded 7 sacks, 12.5 tackles for a loss, and 69 total tackles as a senior in 2007. He also forced 1 fumble, hurried the quarterback 3 times, and broke up 3 passes. Dorsey may have the ideal frame for a defensive tackle but his quickness is similar to a defensive end’s. He does well as a pass rusher and usually was double teamed in 2007. Despite playing hurt most of 2007, Dorsey managed to change the momentum of games, especially against South Carolina. Dorsey’s arm length doesn’t wow scouts but the ability to dominate in one-on-one situations and swallow any gap around him makes up for what he lacks physically. The Trojans have had a hidden gem in Sedrick Ellis for some time but he didn’t begin to garnish national attention until his senior year. In 2007, Ellis filled up his stat sheet with 8.5 sacks, 12.5 tackles for a loss and 58 total tackles. He also had 1 quarterback hurry and 7 passes broken up. Ellis isn’t as big height-wise as scouts like, but his extraterrestrial strength and speed makes him a highly regarded prospect. He is very instinctive and leads with a very quick first step. Watching Ellis is like watching a fundamental video on how to shed blocks. He possesses sound techniques and has top-notch intangibles. Like Dorsey, Ellis has had injury problems, breaking his ankle in 2003 and injuring his left knee in 2006. When it comes to disrupting the fluidity on offense for opponents, there is not one prospect in this draft that can do that like Sedrick Ellis. Natural Habitat Unlike Ellis, Glenn Dorsey would be better suited for just the 4-3 defensive scheme. As you can see, Ellis could play in both the 3-4 and 4-3. Dorsey is solid in shedding blockers but isn’t the nose tackle prospect Haloti Ngata was a couple of years’ back. Meanwhile, Sedrick Ellis is a hog at both positions, relinquishing the power that the center and guards may have on him and dominating the trenches. While you may be confused and start to wonder, how is Dorsey more highly regarded than Ellis? He simply isn’t. As you read this, there are scouts and pro personnel breaking down film trying to decipher who is better suited for what and who has shown more weakness than the other. At the end of the day, it may be a push. Dorsey has a quicker first step and may use his hands better than Ellis but Ellis is quicker to dominate a double-team than Dorsey. Both DTs have played through injuries during their time in school and both have anchored a BCS defense. Conclusion If there were any fair comparison’s to current NFL DTs, I would put Glenn Dorsey in the Kevin Williams category and place Sedrick Ellis in the Albert Haynesworth category. In all honesty though, there are no fair comparisons. Both have the upside as the aforementioned Pro Bowler’s. Both have the talent and value to award them with bank-breaking rookie contracts. The only difference between the two is that depending on defensive scheme, one will get drafted ahead of the other. Don’t look for the Miami Dolphins to draft Glenn Dorsey if they put in place a 3-4 scheme. Instead, look for them to address another need or grab a defensive end. On the other hand, Dorsey would fit in well with the St. Louis Rams (to replace La’Roi Glover). Sedrick Ellis meanwhile would be a great fit for the Miami Dolphins but his stock is not quite that up that high yet. Ellis plays with a Warren Sapp-like mean streak and could fit in well with Oakland. Regardless of this speculation, both Dorsey and Ellis will be top 8 eight selections come April. So who is the better prospect? Flip a coin -- you can’t be wrong with heads or tails. This is the perfect win-win scenario for a franchise picking early in the draft that needs to address the middle of their defensive line.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2357050	Sedrick Ellis is going to be what Herm thought DeWayne Robertson was.... If they take Long it's gonna look real stupid when Ellis is a monster and our teams best player is a DE.....and you can draft a starting LT in the 2nd round this year.
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Delano [b]Supporter[/b] Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A Hypnagogic Landscape Casino cash: $9045015	While some of that information is interesting, the article is very poorly written. Why try to disguise a scouting report as an article? __________________ A million CPilgrims face Mecca. Think of the power behind that fact. All logging in now. And bending. And praying. ChiefsPlanet is the angle at which realities meet. - Don DeLillo
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2357050	Well after those 2 guys the DT class drops off to a huge degree, so I can see why it's only about those 2 guys no one else is even close to them.
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Delano [b]Supporter[/b] Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A Hypnagogic Landscape Casino cash: $9045015	Ellis in the first round. A big RT in the second round. I don't think McIntosh is a good fit at RT, so keep him at LT for the time being. The line could be decent if the right side (C, RG, RT) was upgraded with LT and LG staying the same. Pull the LT next year. I'd like to see Loadholt or Oher in a Chiefs uniform. __________________ A million CPilgrims face Mecca. Think of the power behind that fact. All logging in now. And bending. And praying. ChiefsPlanet is the angle at which realities meet. - Don DeLillo
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01-22-2008, 08:27 PM	#12
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2357050	To be perfectly honest, I think to much is being made of offensive line and how they have to fix it this year. This team is bad, really bad. In all likely hood Croyle isn't the guy. Basically every position on the team needs new guys...this is going to be a years process not a 1 or 2 year process.. So why do people constantly talk about how the Oline must be fixed right now be damned every other position. So the Chiefs can attempt to compete and win 8 games next year? I honestly don't give a shit what players they take as long as they are the best players and start right away. I don't care if they're first 3 picks are a DT a CB and a WR as long as they're all good and play right away.
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