Chiefs RAND - Why not a quarterback?

C-Mac · 05-01-2008, 07:18 AM

Why not a quarterback?
May 01, 2008, 3:41:00 AM by Jonathan Rand - FAQ

The most popular second guess about the Chiefs’ generally well-received draft is that they came away without a quarterback.

But even a dozen picks aren’t enough to fill every need after a 4-12 season. The Chiefs also could have used a guard, a center and a blue-chip pass rusher. Put them on next year’s list.

With the Chiefs having so many needs, quarterback had to be a secondary consideration — especially in a draft not projected to produce a bumper crop of quarterbacks.

Matt Ryan, picked third overall by the Falcons, was the only so-called franchise quarterback. After him came Joe Flacco, picked 18th overall by the Ravens. Three quarterbacks were taken in the second and third rounds and eight over the last three rounds.

That’s only 13 draftees at the game’s most important position. Unless there’s another Tom Brady among the late-round picks, this draft appeared short on both quality and quantity at quarterback.

Of the top four passers – Ryan, Flacco, Brian Brohm (Packers) and Chad Henne (Dolphins) – all except Brohm were picked to help new head coaches. The starting spot was vacant in Atlanta and Baltimore. Though the Dolphins drafted quarterback John Beck in the second round a year ago, the Bill Parcells-run regime wanted its own candidate for the job.

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards had mentioned that he saw little point in drafting a quarterback who didn’t promise a much better upside than incumbent Brodie Croyle. A drafted quarterback always generates tremendous buzz, however. In fact, if Croyle were drafted by the Chiefs this past weekend, fans would excitedly be asking how soon he might get on the field.

Even were Ryan available to the Chiefs, it might’ve been counter-productive to draft him before they’ve completely rebuilt the line. Poor protection has ruined many a young passer, and Croyle needs a lot more time in the pocket than he had a year ago to have a fighting chance.

For the Chiefs, drafting another quarterback in the second or third round would’ve been an exercise in duplication. Admittedly, that’s what the Dolphins did and they might argue that the more young quarterbacks you have, the better the chance that one of them will become a star.

The Packers drafted two quarterbacks, even though they have a young starter, Aaron Rodgers. Then again, the Packers kept drafting quarterbacks even when Brett Favre was in his prime.

The Chiefs’ quarterback situation is confused by the difficulty in evaluating Croyle’s 2007 performance. He went 0-6 as a starter but there were a lot of asterisks. He made his debut as a starter despite a leaky line, the absence of Pro Bowl runner Larry Johnson, consistently poor field position and unimaginative play calling.

With these problems fixed, Croyle might well prove himself the right man for the job. If they’re not fixed, it’s hard to imagine even a first-round draft choice could have a decent chance to succeed. But because this is Croyle’s third year, he’ll be squarely on the spot, no matter what kind of support he gets from his surrounding cast.

Chiefs decision makers won’t have to agonize over whether to draft a quarterback in 2009. Croyle will make that decision for them months before then.

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-01-2008, 07:37 AM

Because, Jon....in case you hadn't noticed....drafting a QB is always a crapshoot...especially during a year when Ryan is "best" prospect.

If Croyle turns into a bust....then I suspect we'll draft one in the next couple of years, or pick up one in FA.

Wilson8 · 05-01-2008, 07:43 AM

I'd like Jonathan Rand to write this story, "Is Dick Curl the Man We Want Coaching Our Young QBs?".

Dick needs to be the assistant to the assitant to the assistant. I have never heard him say or do anything that a Little League Father could not do.

FringeNC · 05-01-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

I'd like Jonathan Rand to write this story, "Is Dick Curl the Man We Want Coaching Our Young QBs?".

Dick needs to be the assistant to the assitant to the assistant. I have never heard him say or do anything that a Little League Father could not do.

I am HOPING that Price will effectively be QB coach, despite Dick Curl's title.

Ultra Peanut · 05-01-2008, 08:27 AM

Because shut the **** up, Rand.

See also "this QB class sucked, go away."

kcchiefsus · 05-01-2008, 08:36 AM

I just read earlier that the Bucs received 3 trade offers for Chris Simms during the draft. 2 teams offered a 6th round pick and 1 team offered a 7th. With our abundance of picks in each of those rounds I wouldn't be surprised if we were one of those teams.

I can't understand why they wouldn't accept a 6th round pick. They already have Garcia, Griese, Gradkowski, McCown, and they just drafted Josh Johnson. Simms has to be pissed that he is just a sitting duck on the depth chart.

StcChief · 05-01-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

I just read earlier that the Bucs received 3 trade offers for Chris Simms during the draft. 2 teams offered a 6th round pick and 1 team offered a 7th. With our abundance of picks in each of those rounds I wouldn't be surprised if we were one of those teams.

I can't understand why they wouldn't accept a 6th round pick. They already have Garcia, Griese, Gradkowski, McCown, and they just drafted Josh Johnson. Simms has to be pissed that he is just a sitting duck on the depth chart.

our way to QB is still FA way.... don't be surprised if we don't pick up a released one.

boogblaster · 05-01-2008, 09:11 AM

FA is the way we'll pick-up a QB .. that said there's not much out there anyway ....

**CosmicPal** · 05-01-2008, 09:12 AM

There were several teams that badly needed a QB this draft and they all passed on them as well. Must say something for the talent of this QB draft class.

kcchiefsus · 05-01-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmicPal

There were several teams that badly needed a QB this draft and they all passed on them as well. Must say something for the talent of this QB draft class.

Or perhaps teams are realizing that the way to find quarterbacks is to build a solid team and continually use low round picks on quarterbacks to hopefully find a gem. That is what Holmgren did in Green Bay when he found Matt Hasselbeck. And despite being a higher pick for this circumstance that is what Green Bay is doing again with Brian Brohm.

Demonpenz · 05-01-2008, 09:22 AM

maybe we can get mcnabb

Molitoth · 05-01-2008, 09:25 AM

Good article Rand.

Hope some peeps will re-read this paragraph.

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The Chiefs’ quarterback situation is confused by the difficulty in evaluating Croyle’s 2007 performance. He went 0-6 as a starter but there were a lot of asterisks. He made his debut as a starter despite a leaky line, the absence of Pro Bowl runner Larry Johnson, consistently poor field position and unimaginative play calling.

Tom Brady would have failed in those situations.

Pablo · 05-01-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

maybe we can get mcnabb

I propose a healthy serving of fuck No to this...

**CosmicPal** · 05-01-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Tom Brady would have failed in those situations.

True dat. Didn't Troy Aikman have a horrible first season? Peyton Manning, I believe, only won something like four games in his first season as well. Not interested in looking up statistics, but if I recall correctly- Aikman was 0-6 his first year. It wasn't until he got the people around him that he was able to become the QB he was projected to be.

DenverChief · 05-01-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

maybe we can get mcnabb

I thought it was Favre?

05-01-2008, 07:18 AM
C-Mac Lurker Extraordinaire Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wally World Casino cash: $1983699	RAND - Why not a quarterback? Why not a quarterback? May 01, 2008, 3:41:00 AM by Jonathan Rand - FAQ The most popular second guess about the Chiefs’ generally well-received draft is that they came away without a quarterback. But even a dozen picks aren’t enough to fill every need after a 4-12 season. The Chiefs also could have used a guard, a center and a blue-chip pass rusher. Put them on next year’s list. With the Chiefs having so many needs, quarterback had to be a secondary consideration — especially in a draft not projected to produce a bumper crop of quarterbacks. Matt Ryan, picked third overall by the Falcons, was the only so-called franchise quarterback. After him came Joe Flacco, picked 18th overall by the Ravens. Three quarterbacks were taken in the second and third rounds and eight over the last three rounds. That’s only 13 draftees at the game’s most important position. Unless there’s another Tom Brady among the late-round picks, this draft appeared short on both quality and quantity at quarterback. Of the top four passers – Ryan, Flacco, Brian Brohm (Packers) and Chad Henne (Dolphins) – all except Brohm were picked to help new head coaches. The starting spot was vacant in Atlanta and Baltimore. Though the Dolphins drafted quarterback John Beck in the second round a year ago, the Bill Parcells-run regime wanted its own candidate for the job. Chiefs coach Herm Edwards had mentioned that he saw little point in drafting a quarterback who didn’t promise a much better upside than incumbent Brodie Croyle. A drafted quarterback always generates tremendous buzz, however. In fact, if Croyle were drafted by the Chiefs this past weekend, fans would excitedly be asking how soon he might get on the field. Even were Ryan available to the Chiefs, it might’ve been counter-productive to draft him before they’ve completely rebuilt the line. Poor protection has ruined many a young passer, and Croyle needs a lot more time in the pocket than he had a year ago to have a fighting chance. For the Chiefs, drafting another quarterback in the second or third round would’ve been an exercise in duplication. Admittedly, that’s what the Dolphins did and they might argue that the more young quarterbacks you have, the better the chance that one of them will become a star. The Packers drafted two quarterbacks, even though they have a young starter, Aaron Rodgers. Then again, the Packers kept drafting quarterbacks even when Brett Favre was in his prime. The Chiefs’ quarterback situation is confused by the difficulty in evaluating Croyle’s 2007 performance. He went 0-6 as a starter but there were a lot of asterisks. He made his debut as a starter despite a leaky line, the absence of Pro Bowl runner Larry Johnson, consistently poor field position and unimaginative play calling. With these problems fixed, Croyle might well prove himself the right man for the job. If they’re not fixed, it’s hard to imagine even a first-round draft choice could have a decent chance to succeed. But because this is Croyle’s third year, he’ll be squarely on the spot, no matter what kind of support he gets from his surrounding cast. Chiefs decision makers won’t have to agonize over whether to draft a quarterback in 2009. Croyle will make that decision for them months before then.
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05-01-2008, 07:37 AM	#2
Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5625285	Because, Jon....in case you hadn't noticed....drafting a QB is always a crapshoot...especially during a year when Ryan is "best" prospect. If Croyle turns into a bust....then I suspect we'll draft one in the next couple of years, or pick up one in FA. __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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05-01-2008, 07:43 AM	#3
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05-01-2008, 08:27 AM	#5
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05-01-2008, 08:36 AM	#6
kcchiefsus Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nowhere Casino cash: $10017949	I just read earlier that the Bucs received 3 trade offers for Chris Simms during the draft. 2 teams offered a 6th round pick and 1 team offered a 7th. With our abundance of picks in each of those rounds I wouldn't be surprised if we were one of those teams. I can't understand why they wouldn't accept a 6th round pick. They already have Garcia, Griese, Gradkowski, McCown, and they just drafted Josh Johnson. Simms has to be pissed that he is just a sitting duck on the depth chart.
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05-01-2008, 09:11 AM	#8
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05-01-2008, 09:12 AM	#9
CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	There were several teams that badly needed a QB this draft and they all passed on them as well. Must say something for the talent of this QB draft class. __________________ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - Four blessings upon my fellow planeteers: Older whiskey, younger women, faster horses, and more money.
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