Chiefs Pioli will want to win NOW

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:15 PM

He's going to have to use FA to do it. Philosophies anyone?

Mine: Bart Scott MLB free agent Ravens
Channing Crowder? Got to have a stud in the middle, our second biggest need.

Draft: move down round one, get xtra pick (only move as far as 8) and still get quality DE pass rusher.

Second round: DE or quality OL- whichever is best at his position.

We can no longer simply pick the best athlete left on the board, we must draft for need.

This obviously means I trust Thigpen vs a veteran QB competition.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-13-2009, 08:17 PM

I'd rather get Akin Ayodele than Channing Crowder.

Bart Scott is solid, but he'll get overpaid and he's overhyped playing with Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed, Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle, etc.

Direckshun · 01-13-2009, 08:17 PM

Pioli, for all his trades and FA wizardry, understands that you win through the Draft.

I expect Pioli to continue Herm's trend of stockpiling draft picks.

Basileus777 · 01-13-2009, 08:18 PM

I honestly don't think Pioli will go out and sign free agents to win now. From what I've read, one of the issues with him in Cleveland is that Pioli wanted to blow up the team and Lerner wanted to win now.

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:19 PM

Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul...

We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.

SPATCH · 01-13-2009, 08:20 PM

if bradford and sanchez both don't declare and stafford doesn't fall to us then, sure, trade down... but if we have a chance to draft stafford or sanchez, we better ****ing take it

beavis · 01-13-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

We can no longer simply pick the best athlete left on the board, we must draft for need.

I think that's kind of crazy. We've got too many holes to fill to be drafting for need.

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul...

We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.

Eh I didn't say rebuild through FA guys. There are important spots to be filled and they can't all be through the draft.

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:25 PM

Also the Chiefs are bad enough to take the best player......drafting for need is generally a pretty stupid thing to do.

Basileus777 · 01-13-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Also the Chiefs are bad enough to take the best player......drafting for need is generally a pretty stupid thing to do.

Even if Andre Smith is the best player?

Need should play a certain role.

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by beavis

I think that's kind of crazy. We've got too many holes to fill to be drafting for need.

Spots? Specifically we need MLB, DE, OL more than a athletic TE ?
We have an offense in place and a pretty good young secondary on defense--what else to fill (kickers not included)

RB's are a dime a dozen and we now have some receivers, Thigpen is better at his position than most of the front seven on defense is. I just think we are not as far away as most people think, damn optimist me,

Ebolapox · 01-13-2009, 08:27 PM

I'm pretty sure he's seen how important a QB and the correct system (where a QB can flourish) really are. I hope like hell that stafford falls to us and we (wisely) take him.

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:28 PM

Oh great this morphed back into how Thigpen is good enough, kill me now.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-13-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Spots? Specifically we need MLB, DE, OL more than a athletic TE ?
We have an offense in place and a pretty good young secondary on defense--what else to fill (kickers not included)

RB's are a dime a dozen and we now have some receivers, Thigpen is better at his position than most of the front seven on defense is. I just think we are not as far away as most people think, damn optimist me,

We have the worst front 7 in football, need a new right side of the OL, a QB and an improved WR corps.

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Even if Andre Smith is the best player?

Need should play a certain role.

This is my point.

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Basileus777 MVP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Casino cash: $2245958	I honestly don't think Pioli will go out and sign free agents to win now. From what I've read, one of the issues with him in Cleveland is that Pioli wanted to blow up the team and Lerner wanted to win now.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul... We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.
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SPATCH birth of spatch Join Date: May 2008 Casino cash: $10006207	if bradford and sanchez both don't declare and stafford doesn't fall to us then, sure, trade down... but if we have a chance to draft stafford or sanchez, we better ****ing take it
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	Also the Chiefs are bad enough to take the best player......drafting for need is generally a pretty stupid thing to do.
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Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: como Casino cash: $-1720097	I'm pretty sure he's seen how important a QB and the correct system (where a QB can flourish) really are. I hope like hell that stafford falls to us and we (wisely) take him.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	Oh great this morphed back into how Thigpen is good enough, kill me now.
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