Other Sports So basically the conference sucks

**Nzoner** · 02-28-2012, 05:37 PM

Not to take anything away from KU(if not for you the conference is all suckage),however,I had to check the facts given on Petro's show today with Doug Gottlieb(sp?)

The Big 12/8 has only been represented in the Championship game twice in the last 20 years(both KU) and has the one win in 2008.

Also commented on although 8 straight conference titles is impressive there's no way to negate the fact that the conference is just not all that.

NCAA Basketball Tournament Winners

Year Winner Opponent Score

2011 Connecticut Butler 53-41
2010 Duke Butler 61-59
2009 North Carolina Michigan State 89-72
2008 Kansas Memphis 75-68
2007 Florida Ohio State 84-75
2006 Florida UCLA 73-57
2005 North Carolina Illinois 75-70
2004 Connecticut Georgia Tech 82-73
2003 Syracuse Kansas 81-78
2002 Maryland Indiana 64-52
2001 Duke Arizona 82-72
2000 Michigan State Florida 89-76
1999 Connecticut Duke 77-74
1998 Kentucky Utah 78-69
1997 Arizona Kentucky 84-79 (OT)
1996 Kentucky Syracuse 76-67
1995 UCLA Arkansas 89-78
1994 Arkansas Duke 76-72
1993 North Carolina Michigan 77-71
1992 Duke Michigan 71-51

**Nzoner** · 02-28-2012, 05:49 PM

Even more depressing for a Big 12/8 fan is other than KU vs. Oklahoma in '88 the conference is once again just a blip in the big picture until the late 40's/early 50's.

1991 Duke Kansas 72-65
1990 UNLV Duke 103-73
1989 Michigan Seton Hall 80-79 (OT)
1988 Kansas Oklahoma 83-79
1987 Indiana Syracuse 74-73
1986 Louisville Duke 72-69
1985 Villanova Georgetown 66-64
1984 Georgetown Houston 84-75
1983 NC State Houston 54-52
1982 North Carolina Georgetown 63-62
1981 Indiana North Carolina 63-50
1980 Louisville UCLA 59-54
1979 Michigan St. Indiana St. 75-64
1978 Kentucky Duke 94-88
1977 Marquette North Carolina 67-59
1976 Indiana Michigan 86-68
1975 UCLA Kentucky 92-85
1974 NC State Marquette 76-64
1973 UCLA Memphis 87-66
1972 UCLA Florida St. 81-76
1971 UCLA Villanova 68-62
1970 UCLA Jacksonville 80-69
1969 UCLA Purdue 92-72
1968 UCLA North Carolina 78-55
1967 UCLA Dayton 79-64
1966 UTEP Kentucky 72-65
1965 UCLA Michigan 91-80
1964 UCLA Duke 98-83
1963 Loyola (Ill.) Cincinnati 60-58 (OT)
1962 Cincinnati Ohio State 71-59
1961 Cincinnati Ohio State 70-65 (OT)
1960 Ohio State California 75-55
1959 California West Virginia 71-70
1958 Kentucky Seattle 84-72
1957 North Carolina Kansas 54-53 (3 OT)
1956 San Francisco Iowa 83-71
1955 San Francisco La Salle 76-73
1954 La Salle Bradley 92-76
1953 Indiana Kansas 69-68
1952 Kansas St. John's 80-63
1951 Kentucky Kansas St. 68-58
1950 CCNY Bradley 71-68
1949 Kentucky Oklahoma St. 46-36
1948 Kentucky Baylor 58-42
1947 Holy Cross Oklahoma 58-47
1946 Oklahoma A&M North Carolina 43-40
1945 Oklahoma A&M NYU 49-45
1944 Utah Dartmouth 42-40 (OT)
1943 Wyoming Georgetown 46-34
1942 Stanford Dartmouth 53-38
1941 Wisconsin Washington St. 39-34
1940 Indiana Kansas 60-42
1939 Oregon Ohio State 46-33

Stewie · 02-28-2012, 05:51 PM

And a mid-major conference is awesome because Butler has been to the NC the past two years?

I don't get it.

The ACC has two basketball powerhouses in Duke and NC. So what? For the most part the rest of that conference sucks with an occasional one-year wonder.

Using your logic, ALL conferences suck except for the programs that win a NC.

**noa** · 02-28-2012, 05:54 PM

Big 12 is the #2 conference this year according to KenPom.
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BigRock · 02-28-2012, 06:10 PM

You can make an argument for anything depending on what stats you want to use.

For example, if I wanted to say "The Big 12 is a pretty good basketball conference", I'd list conferences by the amount of Final Four teams they've had in the last decade.

Big East: 5 (Syracuse, UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, West Virgina)
Big 12: 4 (Kansas, Texas, OU, OK State)
Big 10: 4 (Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State)
ACC: 4 (Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland)
SEC: 3 (Florida, LSU, Kentucky)
CUSA: 3 (Marquette, Louisville, Memphis)
Colonial: 2 (George Mason, VCU)
Pac-10: 1 (UCLA)
Horizon: 1 (Butler)

Or those same conferences by the amount of championship teams in that span:

ACC: 3 (Maryland, Carolina, Duke)
Big East: 2 (Syracuse, UConn)
Big 12: 1 (Kansas)
SEC: 1 (Florida)
Big 10: 0
Pac-10: 0
CUSA: 0
Colonial: 0
Horizon: 0

kstater · 02-28-2012, 07:04 PM

Conference sucks so bad, Missouri should be a lock for league title.

**007** · 02-28-2012, 08:28 PM

So this is the new battle cry for MU. Our conference is better than your conference.

How many times has MU been to the Final Four again?

Titty Meat · 02-28-2012, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noa

Big 12 is the #2 conference this year according to KenPom.
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Who's #1?

Trevo_410 · 02-28-2012, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru

So this is the new battle cry for MU. Our conference is better than your conference.

How many times has MU been to the Final Four again?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I'M A MIZZOU FAN AND I WHINE A LOT!!!!

WAAAAAHHHHHHH ESPECIALLY IF I'm BRINGING FACTS TO THE TABLE

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

BUTTHURT IS WHAT I IS

Ultra Peanut · 02-28-2012, 08:42 PM

Join us in the Big East plx

**Nzoner** · 02-28-2012, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru

So this is the new battle cry for MU. Our conference is better than your conference.

How many times has MU been to the Final Four again?

Oh fock dude c'mon this is nothing of the like,did you read my full OP.I simply heard something on the radio went on a search to find the facts and was like wow I didn't realize that.

**007** · 02-28-2012, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevo_410

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I'M A MIZZOU FAN AND I WHINE A LOT!!!!

WAAAAAHHHHHHH ESPECIALLY IF I'm BRINGING FACTS TO THE TABLE

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

BUTTHURT IS WHAT I IS

You don't know me very well if you think this thread caused me any hurt at all.

I'm just having a little fun with my friend Nzoner.

**Nzoner** · 02-28-2012, 09:16 PM

Once again let me CLARIFY this was not about bashing anyone,hell as hard as it was I actually gave KU props.I just don't follow NCAA history like I do the NFL and when I heard the conversation today decided to do a little fact finding myself.

**Lzen** · 02-28-2012, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevo_410

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I'M A MIZZOU FAN AND I WHINE A LOT!!!!

WAAAAAHHHHHHH ESPECIALLY IF I'm BRINGING FACTS TO THE TABLE

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

BUTTHURT IS WHAT I IS

I wonder if you're this big a douche in real life.

**Lzen** · 02-28-2012, 11:08 PM

Nzoner,

I don't think you can judge how good a conference is by how many titles it has won. I think it's more telling of how a conference's teams have fared against other conferences in all the out of conference games. By that standard, the Big 12 is typically in the top 2 or 3.

02-28-2012, 05:37 PM
Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	So basically the conference sucks Not to take anything away from KU(if not for you the conference is all suckage),however,I had to check the facts given on Petro's show today with Doug Gottlieb(sp?) The Big 12/8 has only been represented in the Championship game twice in the last 20 years(both KU) and has the one win in 2008. Also commented on although 8 straight conference titles is impressive there's no way to negate the fact that the conference is just not all that. NCAA Basketball Tournament Winners Year Winner Opponent Score 2011 Connecticut Butler 53-41 2010 Duke Butler 61-59 2009 North Carolina Michigan State 89-72 2008 Kansas Memphis 75-68 2007 Florida Ohio State 84-75 2006 Florida UCLA 73-57 2005 North Carolina Illinois 75-70 2004 Connecticut Georgia Tech 82-73 2003 Syracuse Kansas 81-78 2002 Maryland Indiana 64-52 2001 Duke Arizona 82-72 2000 Michigan State Florida 89-76 1999 Connecticut Duke 77-74 1998 Kentucky Utah 78-69 1997 Arizona Kentucky 84-79 (OT) 1996 Kentucky Syracuse 76-67 1995 UCLA Arkansas 89-78 1994 Arkansas Duke 76-72 1993 North Carolina Michigan 77-71 1992 Duke Michigan 71-51
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02-28-2012, 05:49 PM	#2
Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	Even more depressing for a Big 12/8 fan is other than KU vs. Oklahoma in '88 the conference is once again just a blip in the big picture until the late 40's/early 50's. 1991 Duke Kansas 72-65 1990 UNLV Duke 103-73 1989 Michigan Seton Hall 80-79 (OT) 1988 Kansas Oklahoma 83-79 1987 Indiana Syracuse 74-73 1986 Louisville Duke 72-69 1985 Villanova Georgetown 66-64 1984 Georgetown Houston 84-75 1983 NC State Houston 54-52 1982 North Carolina Georgetown 63-62 1981 Indiana North Carolina 63-50 1980 Louisville UCLA 59-54 1979 Michigan St. Indiana St. 75-64 1978 Kentucky Duke 94-88 1977 Marquette North Carolina 67-59 1976 Indiana Michigan 86-68 1975 UCLA Kentucky 92-85 1974 NC State Marquette 76-64 1973 UCLA Memphis 87-66 1972 UCLA Florida St. 81-76 1971 UCLA Villanova 68-62 1970 UCLA Jacksonville 80-69 1969 UCLA Purdue 92-72 1968 UCLA North Carolina 78-55 1967 UCLA Dayton 79-64 1966 UTEP Kentucky 72-65 1965 UCLA Michigan 91-80 1964 UCLA Duke 98-83 1963 Loyola (Ill.) Cincinnati 60-58 (OT) 1962 Cincinnati Ohio State 71-59 1961 Cincinnati Ohio State 70-65 (OT) 1960 Ohio State California 75-55 1959 California West Virginia 71-70 1958 Kentucky Seattle 84-72 1957 North Carolina Kansas 54-53 (3 OT) 1956 San Francisco Iowa 83-71 1955 San Francisco La Salle 76-73 1954 La Salle Bradley 92-76 1953 Indiana Kansas 69-68 1952 Kansas St. John's 80-63 1951 Kentucky Kansas St. 68-58 1950 CCNY Bradley 71-68 1949 Kentucky Oklahoma St. 46-36 1948 Kentucky Baylor 58-42 1947 Holy Cross Oklahoma 58-47 1946 Oklahoma A&M North Carolina 43-40 1945 Oklahoma A&M NYU 49-45 1944 Utah Dartmouth 42-40 (OT) 1943 Wyoming Georgetown 46-34 1942 Stanford Dartmouth 53-38 1941 Wisconsin Washington St. 39-34 1940 Indiana Kansas 60-42 1939 Oregon Ohio State 46-33 __________________ *Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.*
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Stewie MVP Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: West of the Equator Casino cash: $1529901	And a mid-major conference is awesome because Butler has been to the NC the past two years? I don't get it. The ACC has two basketball powerhouses in Duke and NC. So what? For the most part the rest of that conference sucks with an occasional one-year wonder. Using your logic, ALL conferences suck except for the programs that win a NC.
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BigRock Pritay Pritay Pritay Good Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $3085412	You can make an argument for anything depending on what stats you want to use. For example, if I wanted to say "The Big 12 is a pretty good basketball conference", I'd list conferences by the amount of Final Four teams they've had in the last decade. Big East: 5 (Syracuse, UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, West Virgina) Big 12: 4 (Kansas, Texas, OU, OK State) Big 10: 4 (Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State) ACC: 4 (Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland) SEC: 3 (Florida, LSU, Kentucky) CUSA: 3 (Marquette, Louisville, Memphis) Colonial: 2 (George Mason, VCU) Pac-10: 1 (UCLA) Horizon: 1 (Butler) Or those same conferences by the amount of championship teams in that span: ACC: 3 (Maryland, Carolina, Duke) Big East: 2 (Syracuse, UConn) Big 12: 1 (Kansas) SEC: 1 (Florida) Big 10: 0 Pac-10: 0 CUSA: 0 Colonial: 0 Horizon: 0
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02-28-2012, 09:16 PM	#13
Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	Once again let me CLARIFY this was not about bashing anyone,hell as hard as it was I actually gave KU props.I just don't follow NCAA history like I do the NFL and when I heard the conversation today decided to do a little fact finding myself. __________________ *Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.*
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02-28-2012, 11:08 PM	#15
Lzen Supporter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Jan Quadrant Vincent 16 Casino cash: $1970692	Nzoner, I don't think you can judge how good a conference is by how many titles it has won. I think it's more telling of how a conference's teams have fared against other conferences in all the out of conference games. By that standard, the Big 12 is typically in the top 2 or 3. __________________ If at first you don't succeed ...skydiving is not for you.
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