Clean house from top to bottom.

Gracie Dean · 09-15-2000, 08:31 AM

With all the diverse quotes and he said they said things in the media, it is clear that the Chiefs need a major shake up, and it needs to start with Carl Peterson. I beleive that people get stagnet after a period of time (kind of like my mom's preacher 17 years and lost over 100 members)

We need a fresh approach to jumpstart a great organization!

[This message has been edited by dawsonpa (edited 09-15-2000).]

bishop_74 · 09-15-2000, 08:33 AM

Something... ANYTHING!!!

Clint in Wichita · 09-15-2000, 08:35 AM

I expected to see facts about brooms, ductpans, and vacuum cleaners here!

Just kidding!

Gracie Dean · 09-15-2000, 08:36 AM

NOpe just an idea that maybe someday will happen.

NO brooms or vaccumes here

Oh and what is a ductpan?

[This message has been edited by dawsonpa (edited 09-15-2000).]

bishop_74 · 09-15-2000, 08:38 AM

I really think if Gun loses this season because of his stupid Resdkins offense appraoch this year, and is too stubborn to adjust the offense to the new form of football, he is going to get the James Bond special edition ejector seat!!!!

Gracie Dean · 09-15-2000, 08:40 AM

I really think that we need more than just the release of Gun. I think Carl has grown stale and too comfortable in his position. I think he--and we-- need a new challenge.

Duck Dog · 09-15-2000, 08:42 AM

Carl peterson is not and should not go anywhere...YET. He is one of the best at what he does. let's face it, Bill Polian isn't available.

Carl needs to clean house...that is his job. If Carl refuses to shake up our coaching staff, then I agree...he should be fired.

We need to drift away from D coaches and find some O minded guru's. Carl knows how to draft D. We need an o minded HC.

I see Gun moving back into the DC position. (if not look for him to retire) Raye and Spurt are toast. Shaw will be our HC next season.

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bishop_74 · 09-15-2000, 08:45 AM

Ahhh, I see... unfortunately, he just signed a new contract. I am kind of on the fence about Carl. I guess, ultimately he IS responsible for the season stats. I will make my judgement at the end of this year. I really hope he is not trying t rebuild this year, because I think a LOT of fans are forming thier final opinions of the coaches THIS season. It will dertimine a lot about how people feel about the mgmt/coaches.

Gracie Dean · 09-15-2000, 08:45 AM

How would the addition of Shaw as head coach change the system that he is under now?

Would gun go back to DC??????

Once you have had steak...

Duck Dog · 09-15-2000, 08:48 AM

Shaw won't change the system we are in unless he brings in his own OC. Shaw does not get my vote for HC. But Carl is well known to promote from within. He is a clear cut canidate to replace Gun when he either retires or when he replaces Kurt at DC.

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ct · 09-15-2000, 08:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>We need to drift away from D coaches and find some O minded guru's. Carl knows how to draft D. We need an o minded HC.

...Shaw will be our HC next season.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[b]WHAT?!?[/b] [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/confused.gif[/img] Sorry ducky, but I don't get it.

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The 3 Stooges must go!!

Multi1 · 09-15-2000, 08:54 AM

What about Steve DeBerg for a Head Coach?

He always seemed to be smart on the field.

Another choice could be Lenny Dawson, if they could ever get him to leave his high paying gigs with HBO, KMBC-TV, and his Chiefs radio show. Lenny called most of his own plays and understands defenses (like most good QB's of his era). The only difference between Lenny and some of his fellow QB's of the past is that he has kept track of the game and the changes that have come along.

Even Vince Lombardi would suck as a HC in this era (assuming that he retired and stayed away from the game).

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Duck Dog · 09-15-2000, 08:55 AM

My opinion on what we need and what Carl may do are opposite...thats all.

We need an O minded HC.

Carl will hand the job over to Shaw.

Our only saving grace may be if Shaw can bring in a better OC and let him call the plays.

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Gracie Dean · 09-15-2000, 09:15 AM

Okay we have all speculated now lets list actual guys that could be available

KC Jones · 09-15-2000, 09:35 AM

1) Tyrone Willingham - HC for Stanford. Gets his players to play above their abilities. Is a strict leader and great motivator. Offensively creative and gives his teams good schemes to attack opponents weknesses. My top vote.

2) Sean Payton - OC for NYG. Pretty young for HC material, but in 1 short year he's turned an underachieving offense into something special. Great offensive schemer, playcaller, and by outward appearances he's gotten the offense to execute well.

These two I consider above and beyond other canidates. Others I'd include are Gary Cowton the OC for Chicago, Al Sauners the OC for the Rams, Wille Shaw the Chiefs asst HC, and Dom Capers the JAX DC.

09-15-2000, 08:33 AM	#2
bishop_74 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Denver, CO. USA Casino cash: $8674993	Something... ANYTHING!!!
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09-15-2000, 08:35 AM	#3
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I expected to see facts about brooms, ductpans, and vacuum cleaners here! Just kidding!
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09-15-2000, 08:36 AM	#4
Gracie Dean MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	NOpe just an idea that maybe someday will happen. NO brooms or vaccumes here Oh and what is a ductpan? [This message has been edited by dawsonpa (edited 09-15-2000).]
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09-15-2000, 08:38 AM	#5
bishop_74 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Denver, CO. USA Casino cash: $8674993	I really think if Gun loses this season because of his stupid Resdkins offense appraoch this year, and is too stubborn to adjust the offense to the new form of football, he is going to get the James Bond special edition ejector seat!!!!
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09-15-2000, 08:40 AM	#6
Gracie Dean MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I really think that we need more than just the release of Gun. I think Carl has grown stale and too comfortable in his position. I think he--and we-- need a new challenge.
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09-15-2000, 08:31 AM
Gracie Dean MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	With all the diverse quotes and he said they said things in the media, it is clear that the Chiefs need a major shake up, and it needs to start with Carl Peterson. I beleive that people get stagnet after a period of time (kind of like my mom's preacher 17 years and lost over 100 members) We need a fresh approach to jumpstart a great organization! [This message has been edited by dawsonpa (edited 09-15-2000).]
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09-15-2000, 08:42 AM	#7
Duck Dog Reap the whirlwind Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $10004900	Carl peterson is not and should not go anywhere...YET. He is one of the best at what he does. let's face it, Bill Polian isn't available. Carl needs to clean house...that is his job. If Carl refuses to shake up our coaching staff, then I agree...he should be fired. We need to drift away from D coaches and find some O minded guru's. Carl knows how to draft D. We need an o minded HC. I see Gun moving back into the DC position. (if not look for him to retire) Raye and Spurt are toast. Shaw will be our HC next season. ------------------ [b]~Duckaholic~[/b] [i]Shoot 'em in the lips</I>
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09-15-2000, 08:45 AM	#8
bishop_74 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Denver, CO. USA Casino cash: $8674993	Ahhh, I see... unfortunately, he just signed a new contract. I am kind of on the fence about Carl. I guess, ultimately he IS responsible for the season stats. I will make my judgement at the end of this year. I really hope he is not trying t rebuild this year, because I think a LOT of fans are forming thier final opinions of the coaches THIS season. It will dertimine a lot about how people feel about the mgmt/coaches.
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09-15-2000, 08:48 AM	#10
Duck Dog Reap the whirlwind Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $10004900	Shaw won't change the system we are in unless he brings in his own OC. Shaw does not get my vote for HC. But Carl is well known to promote from within. He is a clear cut canidate to replace Gun when he either retires or when he replaces Kurt at DC. ------------------ [b]~Duckaholic~[/b] [i]Shoot 'em in the lips</I>
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ct u b illian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: DooDah Casino cash: $10009436	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>We need to drift away from D coaches and find some O minded guru's. Carl knows how to draft D. We need an o minded HC. ...Shaw will be our HC next season. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> [b]WHAT?!?[/b] [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/confused.gif[/img] Sorry ducky, but I don't get it. ------------------ [b]ct The 3 Stooges must go!!</B>
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09-15-2000, 08:54 AM	#12
Multi1 Banned Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	What about Steve DeBerg for a Head Coach? He always seemed to be smart on the field. Another choice could be Lenny Dawson, if they could ever get him to leave his high paying gigs with HBO, KMBC-TV, and his Chiefs radio show. Lenny called most of his own plays and understands defenses (like most good QB's of his era). The only difference between Lenny and some of his fellow QB's of the past is that he has kept track of the game and the changes that have come along. Even Vince Lombardi would suck as a HC in this era (assuming that he retired and stayed away from the game). ------------------ Remember Joe Delaney? Some of us do and are acting on our belief that he was a hero. This is a bandwagon that all are invited to jump on!!! 37 Forever
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09-15-2000, 08:55 AM	#13
Duck Dog Reap the whirlwind Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $10004900	My opinion on what we need and what Carl may do are opposite...thats all. We need an O minded HC. Carl will hand the job over to Shaw. Our only saving grace may be if Shaw can bring in a better OC and let him call the plays. ------------------ [b]~Duckaholic~[/b] [i]Shoot 'em in the lips</I>
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09-15-2000, 09:15 AM	#14
Gracie Dean MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Okay we have all speculated now lets list actual guys that could be available
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09-15-2000, 09:35 AM	#15
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	1) Tyrone Willingham - HC for Stanford. Gets his players to play above their abilities. Is a strict leader and great motivator. Offensively creative and gives his teams good schemes to attack opponents weknesses. My top vote. 2) Sean Payton - OC for NYG. Pretty young for HC material, but in 1 short year he's turned an underachieving offense into something special. Great offensive schemer, playcaller, and by outward appearances he's gotten the offense to execute well. These two I consider above and beyond other canidates. Others I'd include are Gary Cowton the OC for Chicago, Al Sauners the OC for the Rams, Wille Shaw the Chiefs asst HC, and Dom Capers the JAX DC.
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