Chiefs forced to spend $20 million to meet new salary floor?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by milkman

How about this.

You are not seeing what you should be seeing when watching Belcher.

Is he a standout right now, as we speak?

No.

Did he improve by leaps and bounds from his first season to his second?

Yes, absolutely?

Should we, given that improvement, dismiss him out of hand?

Absolutely not, because there's no evidence to suggest he's even touched his ceiling.

As for Drew Stanton, your bitching would make some sense if I was proposing we sign him to be the next starting QB for this team.

My other question didn't get posted for some reason so i'll type it again. I'm not saying inside linebacker is priority A but we both agree theres better free agent inside linebackers that are still fairly young. Would you be opposed to us bringing in 1 in order to satisfy the new cap rules?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

5 TD 9 INT with a 55% completion and not even being able to beat out Shaun Hill is a good backup?

In case you hadn't noticed, Shaun Hill has played some pretty good football over the last couple of years, and ussaully experience gets the nod when establishing a depth chart.

But, imagine that, a young guy on a bad team with minimal experience struggles.

Whoda thunk that was possible?

That is (one of the reasons) why I hate the stat argument.

If you actually watch him play, you would know he has some talent, and with some coaching has solid backup written all over him.

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

My other question didn't get posted for some reason so i'll type it again. I'm not saying inside linebacker is priority A but we both agree theres better free agent inside linebackers that are still fairly young. Would you be opposed to us bringing in 1 in order to satisfy the new cap rules?

I am not suggesting that we shouldn't sign anyone.

What I am suggesting is that our free agent money should be spent on positions of greater need where there's little to no talent, and because Belcher shows promise and upside, that is not an area of need compared to more pressing needs, like OT, WR and NT.

Those are positions I would target, as well as using the money we have to lock up some of our own.

If Belcher doesn't continue to progress this season then target that need next summer.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

You suggested Drew Stanton was a good backup. I'd suggest you go easy on the name calling for a bit. Is great backup/special team player any better?

Again billay makes no sense.

Stanton is a good BACKUP. Key word backup.

Hes also not a young guy from a small school that grew as the season went on last year.
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[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Again billay makes no sense.

Stanton is a good BACKUP. Key word backup.

Hes also not a young guy from a small school that grew as the season went on last year.
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5 TD 9 INT with a 55% completion and not even being able to beat out Shaun Hill is a good backup?

You mean Belcher is a young guy?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

You mean Belcher is a young guy?

23 now the new old?...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by milkman

Watching Belcher year one to year two was like night and day.

The guy is just learning, and with another year, he easily could be turning into a beast.

I'm not opposed to upgrading the roster, everywhere, but to dismiss Belcher out of hand as a "turd" suggests strongly that you're a true dumbass.

Completely agree.

The fact that he's not a "standout" in spot play means squat.

The guy he's replacing was cut and considered a solid b/u at best...

[SAUTO]

The guy might be the hardest hitter we have also
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[milkman]

Bear in mind, however, I am not looking to replace Stanzi.

I am looking to replace Tyler Palko.

Tell me that Tyler Palko is a better backup option than Stanton.

I dare ya.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Bear in mind, however, I am not looking to replace Stanzi.

I am looking to replace Tyler Palko.

Tell me that Tyler Palko is a better backup option than Stanton.

I dare ya.

Well shit if you put it like that then yes I agree with you. I was under the assumption you wanted a #2 guy who could also come in and compete with Cassel.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Well shit if you put it like that then yes I agree with you. I was under the assumption you wanted a #2 guy who could also come in and compete with Cassel.

No, a lot of other teams (and fans on this board) want a serviceable veteran backup for insurance. The Patriots though, always seemed to have developmental guys, who, if you coach them up right(where Zorn comes in) might flourish(like Cassel, questionably) and either become your QBOTF, or a trade for picks with a good return on investment(ala Cassel).

I personally agree with Milk on this one too. I don't want a veteran who has reached his ceiling taking up a valuable roster spot. If we get into trouble and our backups don't perform, we can always call up one of the guys sitting at home...

[Okie_Apparition]

ESPN showed a list of the 5 teams in most trouble with the 120 mil cap yesterday. One of those was the Packers because they had a shit ton on IR. I don't think the Chiefs had any high dollar players on IR. They still need to be figured in, if not cut

[BossChief]

Zilla, as most of us understand, teams in the NFL win and lose games with matchups.

It's arguably the most important part of the sport.

After adding Baldwin, teams are gonna have to do everything in their power to slow down our starting receivers with their best corners....a receiver like Breaston (that is fantastic at running routes and maintaining speed in and out of his breaks) would thrive against opposing teams nickle corners.

He also has very very good deep speed, something this offense desperately needs if we are to take the next step. We MUST stretch the field, if we are to win games in the playoffs.

He also has a bunch of other reasons he would be a great signing.

He knows Haleys offense and excels in it.
He responds well to the type of coaching we utilize (hard coaching)
He has experience not only as a slot guy in this offense, but also as a starter that can fill in if needed.

Also, Verran Tucker would move to #4 and after getting experience last year against starting caliber corners, he could flourish when we really spread teams out.

If we sign Breaston, Charles would annihilate competition on draws/screens.

He would be a great signing for us.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Zilla, as most of us understand, teams in the NFL win and lose games with matchups.

It's arguably the most important part of the sport.

After adding Baldwin, teams are gonna have to do everything in their power to slow down our starting receivers with their best corners....a receiver like Breaston (that is fantastic at running routes and maintaining speed in and out of his breaks) would thrive against opposing teams nickle corners.

He also has very very good deep speed, something this offense desperately needs if we are to take the next step. We MUST stretch the field, if we are to win games in the playoffs.

He also has a bunch of other reasons he would be a great signing.

He knows Haleys offense and excels in it.
He responds well to the type of coaching we utilize (hard coaching)
He has experience not only as a slot guy in this offense, but also as a starter that can fill in if needed.

Also, Verran Tucker would move to #4 and after getting experience last year against starting caliber corners, he could flourish when we really spread teams out.

If we sign Breaston, Charles would annihilate competition on draws/screens.

He would be a great signing for us.

I feel like theres alot of pressure for Baldwin to produce this year. I could see it taking a year or 2 before the guy is a beast.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I feel like theres alot of pressure for Baldwin to produce this year. I could see it taking a year or 2 before the guy is a beast.

Baldwin comes in with the tools and talent to be a trusted target for Cassel and has the size and ability to be a 800 yard, 6-8 td type player right out of the gates. Maybe more.

Having two huge receivers will give Baldwin the advantage in this offense because he will be facing opposing #2 corners and a shit ton of strictly man coverage...either that or teams are gonna get eaten alive with our other weapons.

I think he ends up our best receiver, maybe as soon as years end.

No way does it take 2 years for him to get acclimated.

Another note, my friend (that originally told me about the whole Haley fingerpointing/mcD cheating connection) that Baldwin has spent a lot of time with Cassel during the lockout...even staying at his house at times. I think those two will have chemistry right off the bat.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Zilla, as most of us understand, teams in the NFL win and lose games with matchups.

It's arguably the most important part of the sport.

After adding Baldwin, teams are gonna have to do everything in their power to slow down our starting receivers with their best corners....a receiver like Breaston (that is fantastic at running routes and maintaining speed in and out of his breaks) would thrive against opposing teams nickle corners.

He also has very very good deep speed, something this offense desperately needs if we are to take the next step. We MUST stretch the field, if we are to win games in the playoffs.

He also has a bunch of other reasons he would be a great signing.

He knows Haleys offense and excels in it.
He responds well to the type of coaching we utilize (hard coaching)
He has experience not only as a slot guy in this offense, but also as a starter that can fill in if needed.

Also, Verran Tucker would move to #4 and after getting experience last year against starting caliber corners, he could flourish when we really spread teams out.

If we sign Breaston, Charles would annihilate competition on draws/screens.

He would be a great signing for us.

Like I said, you can use that argument for anyone. The fact is, you're not going to put world beaters on your team at every single position. And as milkman has pointed out, and it's true, we're going to have a TON of people we have to re-sign in the next few years. If that's the case, you have to prioritize who you want to spend your money on. A slot receiver is a role playing position. David Harris, on the other hand, is a shutdown run-stopper. Even if we struggle at Nose Tackle, he's going to plug up the interior run. And he's a good blitzing LB. How many times last season did our interior run defense completely disappear?

Here's the way I see it. As a running offense, we are already awesome. As an overall defense, we have potential to be great. If we get good play from a NT and LOLB, we can be every bit as good as the Steelers on D. Our pass offense? No matter how much we stack the deck, we still have a QB who could limit the Chiefs from being great.

If we bring in Breaston, we are essentially asking Cassel to be the guy who wins games for us. If we bring in Harris, we're on our way to becoming a scary overall defense. Add that to a terrific running game and now all of a sudden, you only ask Cassel to manage games to victory.

If the Chiefs had Drew Brees, no question you go after Breaston. But with Cassel, I'd rather choose to be great and whenever possible, not ask him to put up over 20 points a game.