Chiefs vrabel a chief - Page 43

oldandslow · 02-27-2009, 01:24 PM

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Just Passin' By · 02-27-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And that leader isn't already on the team? (Gonzalez, as an example)

Wasn't available in FA? (Lewis, as an example)

Some of you guys are acting like Vrabel is the second coming of Vince Lombardi in the leadership department.

God forbid that we cultivate our own leaders.

1.) Pioli came from the Patriots. The Patriots do things in a certain way.

2.) Gonzalez did not come from the Patriots. He does not know that way.

3.) Vrabel is a linebacker, Gonzalez is a tight end. One is offense, one defense.

4.) Cultivating their own leaders got the Chiefs 2 wins last season.

5.) Ray Lewis is also 34, and he'll cost a lot more than Vrabel.

What is so difficult about this for you to grasp?

RJ · 02-27-2009, 04:57 PM

Friendly place here lately, reminds me of Mayberry.

kcbubb · 02-27-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Sitting here and complaining about a 6th or 7th round draft pick is nit-picking.

I'll take the guy who could help groom young players, and teach how to win and be a professional every day of the week over rolling the dice on a 6th or 7th round draft pick's potential.

plus.... we need the depth. we have no real LBs for the 3-4. I guess you can count DJ. So, now we have to starting caliber LBs for the 3-4. Can Demorrio Williams play OLB in the 3-4?? We need depth really, really bad.

How many LBs usually dress on game days in the 3-4?

soundmind · 02-27-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agree to disagree, Frank. I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

This franchise has been conditioned to think that draft picks are worthless, just because Carl pissed away the vast majority of them in the last 20 years.

I'll take future potential over a 1-2 year rental every time.

What if that 1-2 year rental helps to ensure the future potential of your many young/new players???

Simply Red · 02-27-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

Friendly place here lately, reminds me of Mayberry.

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Chief3188 · 02-27-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

What great year in and year out contending Superbowl team was led by it's cover backer?

Did Keith Bulluck will the Titans to a playoff win this year?

What the hell are you talking about? One player regardless of who it is, is not going to will any team a SB. That is why it is called a team and again if he ended up being a great player and later on leader on defense who are you to say the pick wasn't worth it? There are many other ways to make plays on defense outside of sacks in case you didn't know and they can be just as if not more valuable ie turnovers.

Me personally I don't care who we pick as long as they live up to where we picked them in the draft.

But this was all about you making a claim that a LB is not worth a top 5 pick

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

money wise would you rather have ray(25 mil) or (2-3 mil this year)

If I can only choose between the two (I'm not advocating either, FWIW) I take Lewis.

In Lewis, you're getting a guy that is going to give you better on-field play, the leadership you're looking for, and doesn't appear to be declining as quickly as Vrabel is. All while keeping your draft pick.

In both cases, you're getting a rental that won't be here when the team is competing for a championship - I'd rather have the one that will be a better player and doesn't cost a draft pick.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-27-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agree to disagree, Frank. I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

This franchise has been conditioned to think that draft picks are worthless, just because Carl pissed away the vast majority of them in the last 20 years.

I'll take future potential over a 1-2 year rental every time.

I haven't been conditioned on anything. I know the value of draft picks.

However, I'm also not going to say Tony Gonzalez is a leader when he's whining to the media every chance he gets about what his personal preference is.

This is a likely 6th or 7th round draft pick. There are ways of picking another one of them up in the later rounds simply by moving back a few spots in the 5th round.

Young players need veterans to show them how to win. Every team in the NFL has veteran players on it that are mentors. Do you think the Cardinals go to the SB without Warner? Absolutely not. I don't think the Steelers sniff the SB without someone like Hines Ward.

There are guys in the league that are all about the team-first. That's who I want showing guys like Dorsey, Flowers, Albert, Bowe that it means to be true pros.

Vrabel can help do that.

Do I think he's the next coming of Christ? No way. Do I think he's a long-term answer? No way.

But I do think that what he rubs off on some guys could provide long-term help for this franchise.

I'll wait to see what the final product of this off-season is before I start to cry foul over acquiring one needed veteran.

kcbubb · 02-27-2009, 05:01 PM

I really can't believe we are switching to the 3-4. We have spent the last 3 years drafting defensive players for the 4-3. I know that the defense sucked last year. But PLEASE remember that the Chiefs had the 13th ranked defense in 2007. I think if the Chiefs could have added a talent like Jared Allen in 2009 (I know that is a big if) that the defense could have been 13th or better again. The secondary is much improved from 2007 when we were ranked 13th.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-27-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If I can only choose between the two (I'm not advocating either, FWIW) I take Lewis.

In Lewis, you're getting a guy that is going to give you better on-field play, the leadership you're looking for, and doesn't appear to be declining as quickly as Vrabel is. All while keeping your draft pick.

In both cases, you're getting a rental that won't be here when the team is competing for a championship - I'd rather have the one that will be a better player and doesn't cost a draft pick.

I don't think there's any chance in hell a Ray Lewis type comes here on his own.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief3188

What the hell are you talking about? One player regardless of who it is, is not going to will any team a SB. That is why it is called a team and again if he ended up being a great player and later on leader on defense who are you to say the pick wasn't worth it? There are many other ways to make plays on defense outside of sacks in case you didn't know and they can be just as if not more valuable ie turnovers.

Me personally I don't care who we pick as long as they live up to where we picked them in the draft.

But this was all about you making a claim that a LB is not worth a top 5 pick

Because it's not unless the guy rushes the passer.....do you know how many LB's have been taken top 3 in the last 20 years...2, and they both bombed.

LB is the RB of defense it's not hard to find good LBs in the middle rounds.

**SAUTO** · 02-27-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If I can only choose between the two (I'm not advocating either, FWIW) I take Lewis.

In Lewis, you're getting a guy that is going to give you better on-field play, the leadership you're looking for, and doesn't appear to be declining as quickly as Vrabel is. All while keeping your draft pick.

In both cases, you're getting a rental that won't be here when the team is competing for a championship - I'd rather have the one that will be a better player and doesn't cost a draft pick.

but man the money is so different between the 2 vrabel is the better one if they both are on the decline IMO

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

1.) Pioli came from the Patriots. The Patriots do things in a certain way.

2.) Gonzalez did not come from the Patriots. He does not know that way.

3.) Vrabel is a linebacker, Gonzalez is a tight end. One is offense, one defense.

4.) Cultivating their own leaders got the Chiefs 2 wins last season.

5.) Ray Lewis is also 34, and he'll cost a lot more than Vrabel.

What is so difficult about this for you to grasp?

We should trade our other picks for Bruschi and Izzo.

I mean, Vrabel is going to be busy trying to change the thinking of the other 52 guys.

CrazyHorse · 02-27-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

.......you brought him up I didn't.

LB is the RB of defense unless they are an outstanding pass rusher that's what I was talking about.

LB is the QB of the defense.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I don't think there's any chance in hell a Ray Lewis type comes here on his own.

And I've said before, I'm not advocating it, just using it as an example.

I guess it's better to trade for a guy and force him to be somewhere he doesn't want to be?

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