Chiefs I like Herm's method better...

kcbubb · 05-27-2009, 09:24 AM

I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games.

If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play.

Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times.

If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4.

If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram.

Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???

LaChapelle · 05-27-2009, 09:27 AM

Off the street guys to fill out the roster? Haley was only being a prick.

keg in kc · 05-27-2009, 09:28 AM

Not so much valuable leadership as experienced players to fill numerous holes. There's going to be a lot of roster turnover from 2009 to 2011 and I don't think you just throw bodies out there and hope you get lucky. The mentality of how to build a team is different now than it was a year ago, too, they're as (or more) concerned with cohesiveness and the "team concept" as they are with sheer talent. Personally, I think this is the way to go.

JD10367 · 05-28-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Not so much valuable leadership as experienced players to fill numerous holes. There's going to be a lot of roster turnover from 2009 to 2011 and I don't think you just throw bodies out there and hope you get lucky. The mentality of how to build a team is different now than it was a year ago, too, they're as (or more) concerned with cohesiveness and the "team concept" as they are with sheer talent. Personally, I think this is the way to go.

Although I didn't vote in the poll, since I'm a Patriots fan, I would've voted "older". Pioli, when in New England, was skilled at finding older players who were either underutilized by their teams (Mike Vrabel) or supposedly "washed up" (Rodney Harrison, Junior Seau) and got some mileage out of them. Not to mention finding supposed "problem children" looking for a career revitalization (Corey Dillon, Randy Moss).

Whenever Belichick makes a move, I ask myself the simple question, "Is the guy he wants to put out there better than another option?" Yeah, a guy like Seau might be 89 years old and slow as a tortoise, but he still might be better than the young clueless guy who shows nothing in practices and training camp.

**DeezNutz** · 05-27-2009, 09:28 AM

The next Mark Bradley? He's 27.

kcbubb · 05-27-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The next Mark Bradley? He's 27.

Engram is 36.

Bradley was a street free agent that has shown that he has the ability to contribute and possibly be our #2 receiver.

Brock · 05-27-2009, 09:32 AM

I didn't really see a method.

**DeezNutz** · 05-27-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Engram is 36.

Bradley was a street free agent that has shown that he has the ability to contribute and possibly be our #2 receiver.

He just go injured reading your praise of him. Out 2-4 weeks.

MIAdragon · 05-27-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Engram is 36.

Bradley was a street free agent that has shown that he has the ability to contribute and possibly be our #2 receiver.

and spend major time on the DL

milkman · 05-27-2009, 09:29 AM

The best way is somehwere in the middle.

You need a good mix of youth and experience.

You need vets who know how to prepare, who understand the game, who serve as mentors and examples for the kids you bring in.

But you have to always be looking for young guys that can repace the vets as their skills diminish.

The Steelers serve as the best example of the way things should work.

And Herman ****ing Edwards can choke on Donkey balls.

**Buehler445** · 05-27-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The best way is somehwere in the middle.

You need a good mix of youth and experience.

You need vets who know how to prepare, who understand the game, who serve as mentors and examples for the kids you bring in.

But you have to always be looking for young guys that can repace the vets as their skills diminish.

The Steelers serve as the best example of the way things should work.

And Herman ****ing Edwards can choke on Donkey balls.

Pretty much this. Who out there is getting hosed because Vrable will be starting?
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**HemiEd** · 05-27-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The best way is somehwere in the middle.

You need a good mix of youth and experience.

You need vets who know how to prepare, who understand the game, who serve as mentors and examples for the kids you bring in.

But you have to always be looking for young guys that can repace the vets as their skills diminish.

The Steelers serve as the best example of the way things should work.

And Herman ****ing Edwards can choke on Donkey balls.

I agree, and furthermore, you don't need existing pro bowl veterans, from a loser, that are setting bad examples.
You need guys that are winners, have won, and expect to win.

It is not easy to break the losing mentality, but I think Pioli is doing it the best way.

Micjones · 05-27-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The best way is somehwere in the middle.

You need a good mix of youth and experience.

You need vets who know how to prepare, who understand the game, who serve as mentors and examples for the kids you bring in.

But you have to always be looking for young guys that can repace the vets as their skills diminish.

The Steelers serve as the best example of the way things should work.

And Herman ****ing Edwards can choke on Donkey balls.

FTW!

Deberg_1990 · 05-27-2009, 09:30 AM

Yes, Herms way was the best. He just needed more time.

JuicesFlowing · 05-27-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yes, Herms way was the best. He just needed more time.

And about 12 more quarterbacks, just to be safe.

View Poll Results: Would you rather play the older guys or look for younger players to contribute?
We need the older guys. They provide valuable leadership.	85	82.52%
We shouldn't have signed the older guys, we should find and develop younger players and let them play.	18	17.48%
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05-27-2009, 09:24 AM	Topic Starter
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6056719	I like Herm's method better... I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games. If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play. Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times. If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4. If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram. Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Not so much valuable leadership as experienced players to fill numerous holes. There's going to be a lot of roster turnover from 2009 to 2011 and I don't think you just throw bodies out there and hope you get lucky. The mentality of how to build a team is different now than it was a year ago, too, they're as (or more) concerned with cohesiveness and the "team concept" as they are with sheer talent. Personally, I think this is the way to go.
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	The best way is somehwere in the middle. You need a good mix of youth and experience. You need vets who know how to prepare, who understand the game, who serve as mentors and examples for the kids you bring in. But you have to always be looking for young guys that can repace the vets as their skills diminish. The Steelers serve as the best example of the way things should work. And Herman ****ing Edwards can choke on Donkey balls. __________________
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