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All Star Snubs...
Which Snub disgusts you the most?
Mine is Orlando Cabrera--SS--LA Angels. Not only is he not going to start the AS Game, but he may not even be there. His numbers at the plate are equal if not better than Jeters'. OC--Avg...338 5 HR OBP .835 RBI 48 Jeter Avg...335 5 HR OBP .408 RBI 38 Fielding OC --.998 4 errors (#1 in the league) Jeter--.966 12 errors I'm so irritated by the voting process and all these talking heads saying that Jeter should be the starter... |
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07-01-2007, 01:27 PM | #2 |
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****ing popularity contests!
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Every all star game in virtually any sport is a popularity contest.
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07-01-2007, 01:32 PM | #4 |
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Good call on the stats, Carlota - When was the last year Jeter actually deserved his spot I wonder?
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Statistically, Derek Jeter is one of the *WORST* everyday defensive shortstops in modern baseball history, near dead-last on most of the fielding statistics that have been developed in recent years. Jeter has fewer errors than many in most years because his range sucks so bad, that he doesnt get to hardly anything that an average shortstop should get to. He figuratively stands still as a statue, and cleanly fields stuff hit right at him.
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Shortstops by Zone Rating
Zone rating: The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc. Edit: this definition from ESPN isnt 100% accurate. If a great shortstop fields a ball thats hit outside of his "zone", he is rewarded with an out, but if he misses a ball hit outside his "zone", he is not punished in the stat, because he wasnt expected to get to the ball anyway. Therefore, players with great range are rewarded with more putouts that dont count against them if missed. Omar Vizquel, .908 Jose Reyes, .907 Bobby Crosby, .871 Adam Everett, .870 Rafael Furcal, .870 Khalil Greene, .862 Troy Tulowitzki, .859 Miguel Tejada, .858 Jason Bartlett, .852 Orlando Cabrera, .846 Alex Gonzalez, .839 Tony Pena Jr., .838 Juan Uribe, .837 Jack Wilson, .828 Julio Lugo, .824 Stephen Drew, .822 Jimmy Rollins, .819 Yuniesky Betancourt, .816 Carlos Guillen, .808 J.J. Hardy, .808 Cesar Izturis, .806 Edgar Renteria, .795 Jhonny Peralta, .786 Michael Young, .784 Brendan Harris, .778 Hanley Ramirez, .773 Derek Jeter, .756 So, in other words, of all the balls hit into an average shortstop's "Zone" that he should be reasonably expected to get to, the league leader Omar Vizquel of the Giants converts over 90% into outs, our own Tony Pena Jr, converts about 84%, and all-world wonder defensive guru Derek Jeter records a pitiful 75% into outs. This isnt a one year mid-season outlier, Derek Jeter sucks every damned year, but the old-school baseball men say "to heck with all those new-fangled statistics, I see a good shortstop!" The reason why Errors is not a great stat, is because a Jeter with crappy range may not get an error for not getting to a ball, because to the naked eye, it looks like a clean hit. A great shortstop that gets to a ball that most shortstops wouldnt have laid a glove on, but fails to make the play, may also be punished with an error because to the naked eye, it looked bad, but it usually would have gotten out of the infield with a Jeter type of SS.
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Cabrera's OBP seems a little off...
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Thats why I think fans and sports announcers should not be able to vote period.. They are biased and ignorant most of the time.. Most of the East/West Coast bias never even looks the other way let alone the Midwest..
It should basically go over who has the best stats period for offensive players.. Defense gets a little more leeway (say for pitchers who don't get wins because their offense sucks) |
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