Don't rave too much about this defense yet

B_Ambuehl · 09-18-2006, 10:55 AM

This defense still has some major problems and major holes to fill before they can be consistently good. The same thing happened yesterday that happened against Cincinnati. Denver found a rhythm and were able to march up and down the field almost at will late in the game. Over 200 yards given up in the 2nd half yesterday....that ain't gonna cut it.

This football team has exactly one sack in 2 games. No consistent pass rush. They're still giving up long runs too boot. Even as good as the run defense *looked* yesterday Denver still averaged 4 yds/carry whcih will usually get you beat in close defensive football games.

In the secondary Law looks like there's something wrong with him...he can't stop, start, and change direction. Maybe injury....maybe just old age.

ChiefsfaninPA · 09-18-2006, 10:59 AM

You can throw all the stats and opinions out that you want but this defense looks WAY better than any D I have seen fielded around here in quite some time. They will improve as the season progresses and a lot of our talent is young guys. This D is worth being excited about.

Calcountry · 09-18-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfaninPA

You can throw all the stats and opinions out that you want but this defense looks WAY better than any D I have seen fielded around here in quite some time. They will improve as the season progresses and a lot of our talent is young guys. This D is worth being excited about.

Was it all that? Or was some of it Denvers O being teh suckage this year?

jspchief · 09-18-2006, 11:06 AM

Denver's offensive gameplan was almost as leashed as ours. I'm still skeptical about us being that good.

**Saulbadguy** · 09-18-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Denver's offensive gameplan was almost as leashed as ours. I'm still skeptical about us being that good.

Exactly.

htismaqe · 09-18-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Denver's offensive gameplan was almost as leashed as ours. I'm still skeptical about us being that good.

I said it last week and I'll say it again:

It doesn't matter if Denver was conservative or not, this defense stopped them time and again. Team's played conservative offense against us in the past and yet they continued to score and accumulate yardage.

Paniero · 09-18-2006, 11:27 AM

Yes!

Good defense and poor offensive potential. Now all we need is to bring the Tomahawk Chop back and we'll be in 1994 again.

jspchief · 09-18-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I said it last week and I'll say it again:

It doesn't matter if Denver was conservative or not, this defense stopped them time and again. Team's played conservative offense against us in the past and yet they continued to score and accumulate yardage.

When Denver needed it most, they got it.

I've said all along that I think this defense is better than most Chiefs fans do. They were better last year than people recognize and I expect continued improvement.

But I also recognize that Shanahan is was trying to grip on a QB situation that was in a tailspin. The offense we faced was toned down. Period. I'm not going to put more stock into holding Denver to 9 points than is really there.

This defense hasn't been put to a true test yet IMO. They've faced a Cincy O that was in cruise control by halftime, and a Denver O that was leashed in an attempt to stave off QB controversy. It's a good start, but it's only a start.

bringbackmarty · 09-18-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

When Denver needed it most, they got it.

I've said all along that I think this defense is better than most Chiefs fans do. They were better last year than people recognize and I expect continued improvement.

But I also recognize that Shanahan is was trying to grip on a QB situation that was in a tailspin. The offense we faced was toned down. Period. I'm not going to put more stock into holding Denver to 9 points than is really there.

This defense hasn't been put to a true test yet IMO. They've faced a Cincy O that was in cruise control by halftime, and a Denver O that was leashed in an attempt to stave off QB controversy. It's a good start, but it's only a start.

we lost because our d was tired, been on the field too much. We lost due to two offensive turnovers. When the d was fresh, it was great. The rules favor the offense, playoff team at home, holding them to zero tuchdowns is an excellent defensive performance.

Archie Bunker · 09-18-2006, 02:30 PM

Speaking of lack of sacks what happened to the "Falcon" like D with Hali, Allen, or Wilkerson roaming the line and picking a spot to expose? I think I saw Allen do it once yesterday but I haven't seen much of it.

I thought it worked well against the Rams.

RedThat · 09-18-2006, 11:30 AM

Too be honest, I'm getting excited about this defense. I think they're in a transition stage right now, and I think they'll get better as the season progresses.

I've noticed a few things here, that NEVER happened with Vermeil.
Our tackling has improved bigtime. Especially in the secondary. And, we haven't given up the big plays YET. We're playing a lot smarter. Our players are reading plays, batting down balls, etc.

Few things we need to do though, to become an even BETTER defense, we need to force more turnovers. Go after the ball more, force fumbles. And we have got to create more pressure on the QB. Im still seeing the opposing QB having some time to throw the football.

Other than that, if you ask me, we're headed in the right direction on defense. Tackling, and not giving up big plays is a GREAT start.

PastorMikH · 09-18-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Our tackling has improved bigtime. Especially in the secondary.

It is nice watching a pile of Chiefs in on the tackle instead of one player taking a shot while others watch, then if he misses, another tries while the rest watch and so on.

RedThat · 09-18-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

It is nice watching a pile of Chiefs in on the tackle instead of one player taking a shot while others watch, then if he misses, another tries while the rest watch and so on.

I hear ya man and I agree. That was evident in yesterdays game.

In the Vermeil era, we saw one guy miss, then the other guy either watch or jog to the ball.

Chief Faithful · 09-18-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Denver's offensive gameplan was almost as leashed as ours. I'm still skeptical about us being that good.

I agree with that, but just like last year the defense continues to get better.

jidar · 09-18-2006, 11:07 AM

This defense kept Denver to 9 points at home. If they perform like this all season then they're a good defense.

God that's something we haven't been able to say around here for a long time. Good Defense.

Yeah if they keep it up, they're good. That's the bottom line.

09-18-2006, 10:55 AM	Topic Starter
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	Don't rave too much about this defense yet This defense still has some major problems and major holes to fill before they can be consistently good. The same thing happened yesterday that happened against Cincinnati. Denver found a rhythm and were able to march up and down the field almost at will late in the game. Over 200 yards given up in the 2nd half yesterday....that ain't gonna cut it. This football team has exactly one sack in 2 games. No consistent pass rush. They're still giving up long runs too boot. Even as good as the run defense looked yesterday Denver still averaged 4 yds/carry whcih will usually get you beat in close defensive football games. In the secondary Law looks like there's something wrong with him...he can't stop, start, and change direction. Maybe injury....maybe just old age.
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09-18-2006, 10:59 AM	#2
ChiefsfaninPA "F_ck Family Fun Night" Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: York, PA Casino cash: $10005025	You can throw all the stats and opinions out that you want but this defense looks WAY better than any D I have seen fielded around here in quite some time. They will improve as the season progresses and a lot of our talent is young guys. This D is worth being excited about.
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09-18-2006, 11:06 AM	#4
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09-18-2006, 11:27 AM	#7
Paniero Chief Boot Knocker Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $8976756	Yes! Good defense and poor offensive potential. Now all we need is to bring the Tomahawk Chop back and we'll be in 1994 again.
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Archie Bunker The Wait Is Over Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Random Small Town Casino cash: $1678978	Speaking of lack of sacks what happened to the "Falcon" like D with Hali, Allen, or Wilkerson roaming the line and picking a spot to expose? I think I saw Allen do it once yesterday but I haven't seen much of it. I thought it worked well against the Rams.
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09-18-2006, 11:30 AM	#11
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Too be honest, I'm getting excited about this defense. I think they're in a transition stage right now, and I think they'll get better as the season progresses. I've noticed a few things here, that NEVER happened with Vermeil. Our tackling has improved bigtime. Especially in the secondary. And, we haven't given up the big plays YET. We're playing a lot smarter. Our players are reading plays, batting down balls, etc. Few things we need to do though, to become an even BETTER defense, we need to force more turnovers. Go after the ball more, force fumbles. And we have got to create more pressure on the QB. Im still seeing the opposing QB having some time to throw the football. Other than that, if you ask me, we're headed in the right direction on defense. Tackling, and not giving up big plays is a GREAT start.
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09-18-2006, 11:07 AM	#15
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	This defense kept Denver to 9 points at home. If they perform like this all season then they're a good defense. God that's something we haven't been able to say around here for a long time. Good Defense. Yeah if they keep it up, they're good. That's the bottom line.
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