Priest is still my favorite player

Red Dawg · 09-12-2005, 04:04 PM

and that's the way it is. LJ is better than we all hoped but Holmes brought our running game out of the dark ages and he gets my respect. O.K. so respect does not win football games but it's not like he's finished. He's still quick as hell, can break tackles and change direction like lightening to get yards.

No LJ bashing here, he is definitely big, fast and explosive with power. Great to have them both.. We can run the ball 30 per game and never wear them out.

Wallcrawler · 09-12-2005, 05:30 PM

Damn right.

I like Johnson just as much as the next guy, but Im not quite ready to send Holmes to the sidelines quite yet.

This is the guy that put up 66 touchdowns in a 3 year span, as well as broke the NFL single season scoring record we are talking about here.

Johnson is good, and is a very promising young back, but there's no way you sit a healthy Priest Holmes.

Tinlar · 09-12-2005, 05:47 PM

The problem is LJ will be open for other teams to look at soon... and if he doesn't get to drive this team he'll go to a team that will let him.

Deberg_1990 · 09-12-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

The problem is LJ will be open for other teams to look at soon... and if he doesn't get to drive this team he'll go to a team that will let him.

LJ aint going anywhere. Thats (King Carl's) Boy. LJ is still the only "Superstar" Skill Position player on offense that he has ever drafted.

Well, besides TG I suppose....

**J Diddy** · 09-12-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

The problem is LJ will be open for other teams to look at soon... and if he doesn't get to drive this team he'll go to a team that will let him.

I doubt that. He was drafted as the future, I think it will be stupid to let the future get away.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 09-12-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

The problem is LJ will be open for other teams to look at soon... and if he doesn't get to drive this team he'll go to a team that will let him.

He is signed up through 2010, he is not going anywhere.

**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

He is signed up through 2010, he is not going anywhere.

Heh. You're dreaming if you think the Chiefs AND/OR Larry Johnson honor that original contract.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 09-12-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Heh. You're dreaming if you think the Chiefs AND/OR Larry Johnson honor that original contract.

I never said that the original contract would be seen through to the end. I just commented on the fact that we have no worries of other teams "looking at him".

**Skip Towne** · 09-12-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

I never said that the original contract would be seen throught to the end. I just commented on the fact that we have no worries of other teams "looking at him".

Hey, Saul, do you know how long LJ's contract runs? Typically rookie contracts are for five years but some vary. (see Maurice Clarett) I hope it is for a longer term because right now he'd tell us to take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut. With good reason. We're dicking him around for a twilight guy when he should be putting up big numbers. If I were LJ I'd tell us to GFY and exit as soon as possible. Then sell myself to the highest bidder. That would be a considerable amount of geetus even with how little he's played. His potential + his youth = beaucoup dollars. He looks like a black John Riggins to me. Big enough to run over LB's and fast eough to outrun DB's. You don't see that combination very often. I've seen it like 4 times in 50 years. Riggins, Bo Jackson, Hershel Walker and ? The guys that want to hang on to Priest during his twilight years don't realize what they are about to squander. I suspect they are young guys that haven't experienced what a truly special RB can do for a team. LJ has that quality.

**Rain Man** · 09-12-2005, 05:51 PM

This surreal bizarro world is really starting to disorient me.

Everyone, repeat after me: Priest Holmes is the top running back in the NFL. He holds the single-season touchdown record, and he's good for 2,000 combined yards over the course of a season.

OldTownChief · 09-12-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

This surreal bizarro world is really starting to disorient me.

Everyone, repeat after me: Priest Holmes is the top running back in the NFL. He holds the single-season touchdown record, and he's good for 2,000 combined yards over the course of a season.

but, but, but, what about LJ?

HolmeZz · 09-12-2005, 06:45 PM

Priest is still my favorite player too.

Patty Surtain's making his way up the charts though.

**alnorth** · 09-12-2005, 06:54 PM

I like Priest, but ultimately I cheer for the laundry, not the player wearing it. If I honestly believed Priest was done I'd be screaming for LJ too.

However, from the cold calculating statistical point of view, LJ has not taken Priest's job, so I support Priest as the starter for now, with LJ getting an increasing number of carries as we transition to him for the future. This offense is possibly the best in the NFL, yet again. We are not going to be much better than we are now (barring injury), no matter who starts. The only direction we have to go is down. LJ has about half a season's worth of carries. The man has not had enough experience to show that he is even better than average with a 90% degree of certainty. We already KNOW Priest is good. The possibility of a slight improvement this year is not worth the risk of a significant fall.

I deal with this issue occasionally at my job, when some of the other less mathematically-inclined departments freak out over last month's numbers, ignoring the years and years of experience before that.

**Skip Towne** · 09-12-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I like Priest, but ultimately I cheer for the laundry, not the player wearing it. If I honestly believed Priest was done I'd be screaming for LJ too.

However, from the cold calculating statistical point of view, LJ has not taken Priest's job, so I support Priest as the starter for now, with LJ getting an increasing number of carries as we transition to him for the future. This offense is possibly the best in the NFL, yet again. We are not going to be much better than we are now (barring injury), no matter who starts. The only direction we have to go is down. LJ has about half a season's worth of carries. The man has not had enough experience to show that he is even better than average with a 90% degree of certainty. We already KNOW Priest is good. The possibility of a slight improvement this year is not worth the risk of a significant fall.

I deal with this issue occasionally at my job, when some of the other less mathematically-inclined departments freak out over last month's numbers, ignoring the years and years of experience before that.

It is you that is trying to hang onto what was. I don't care what you do at your job, Priest is obviously (to most people) in his twilight years. What a pro athlete has done means absolutely nothing as opposed to other industries. It is what he can do today. LJ can do it much better than Priest as the numbers will show you if you take the time to look at them. Your years and years of experience don't apply to an aging running back. Take your mathematically inclined dumb ass back to Football 101. SF threw out Joe Montana before he completely shot craps (luckily for us). And gained a Hall of Famer in Steve Young. It happens all the time in sports. This isn't sales or whatever you do. If you value the "name on the back of the jersey" keep up your ignorant spiel. I want production and wins.

**alnorth** · 09-12-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

It is you that is trying to hang onto what was. I don't care what you do at your job, Priest is obviously (to most people) in his twilight years. What a pro athlete has done means absolutely nothing as opposed to other industries. It is what he can do today. LJ can do it much better than Priest as the numbers will show you if you take the time to look at them. Your years and years of experience don't apply to an aging running back. Take your mathematically inclined dumb ass back to Football 101. SF threw out Joe Montana before he completely shot craps (luckily for us). And gained a Hall of Famer in Steve Young. It happens all the time in sports. This isn't sales or whatever you do. If you value the "name on the back of the jersey" keep up your ignorant spiel. I want production and wins.

As soon as LJ has a bad couple o games while Priest rots on the bench, you'll suddenly have a change of heart and be an avid disciple of sound statistical reasoning. "Its only 2 games people! You cant judge a guy by two games, give him more time!" And then we'd be expected to have patience on and on untill the season is shot and theres nothing we can do anymore but admit a serious mistake while the rest of the league laughs at the stupid Chiefs. We have plenty of time next year for probably's and I think so's, when we arent as big a threat for the Super Bowl. You are still freaking out over an insignificant sample size.

At the end of the day, this is about winning the Super Bowl this year. Next year can take care of itself when Holmes heads for the sunset. THIS year, RIGHT now, this offense is pretty much close to its peak potential. If you replaced Priest with some of the best backs in history, we do not significantly improve. Given that, I dont see any upside to giving an unproven half-a-season wonder the starting job and risking a decrease in performance. I do support giving him a gradually increasing workload as he ramps up to the prime of his career, but not at the expense of winning right now this season. If we were not going to contend for anything and had a veteran who was probably better but would be gone in a year or 2, then I'd start LJ, but we arent rebuilding here.

09-12-2005, 04:04 PM	Topic Starter
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $3632858	Priest is still my favorite player and that's the way it is. LJ is better than we all hoped but Holmes brought our running game out of the dark ages and he gets my respect. O.K. so respect does not win football games but it's not like he's finished. He's still quick as hell, can break tackles and change direction like lightening to get yards. No LJ bashing here, he is definitely big, fast and explosive with power. Great to have them both.. We can run the ball 30 per game and never wear them out.
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09-12-2005, 05:30 PM	#2
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $3992912	Damn right. I like Johnson just as much as the next guy, but Im not quite ready to send Holmes to the sidelines quite yet. This is the guy that put up 66 touchdowns in a 3 year span, as well as broke the NFL single season scoring record we are talking about here. Johnson is good, and is a very promising young back, but there's no way you sit a healthy Priest Holmes. __________________ If shit could shit, it still wouldn't be as shitty as this sig.
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Tinlar Yall Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Casino cash: $10054900	The problem is LJ will be open for other teams to look at soon... and if he doesn't get to drive this team he'll go to a team that will let him. __________________ It's not whether you win or lose that matters. It's whether we win or lose.
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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1808491 VARSITY	This surreal bizarro world is really starting to disorient me. Everyone, repeat after me: Priest Holmes is the top running back in the NFL. He holds the single-season touchdown record, and he's good for 2,000 combined yards over the course of a season. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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09-12-2005, 06:54 PM	#13
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	I like Priest, but ultimately I cheer for the laundry, not the player wearing it. If I honestly believed Priest was done I'd be screaming for LJ too. However, from the cold calculating statistical point of view, LJ has not taken Priest's job, so I support Priest as the starter for now, with LJ getting an increasing number of carries as we transition to him for the future. This offense is possibly the best in the NFL, yet again. We are not going to be much better than we are now (barring injury), no matter who starts. The only direction we have to go is down. LJ has about half a season's worth of carries. The man has not had enough experience to show that he is even better than average with a 90% degree of certainty. We already KNOW Priest is good. The possibility of a slight improvement this year is not worth the risk of a significant fall. I deal with this issue occasionally at my job, when some of the other less mathematically-inclined departments freak out over last month's numbers, ignoring the years and years of experience before that. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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