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Carl's choices at head coach 25 28.41%
Carl's failures in the draft 63 71.59%
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:36 AM   Topic Starter
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Which failure has cost the Chiefs more?
Please see the poll.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:37 AM   #2
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There isn't a poll but I will say Carl.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:38 AM   #3
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There isn't a poll but I will say Carl.
Of course it has to do with Carl and, yes, there is a poll. Are you always so premature?
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:43 AM   #4
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Of course it has to do with Carl and, yes, there is a poll. Are you always so premature?
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:41 AM   #5
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Failures in the draft, without question.

Not even close.

Carl has aways given the majority of the draft "power" to his head coaches. Not taking it away from the coaches that can't evaluate talent is his biggest mistake, IMO.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:53 AM   #6
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Failures in the draft, without question.

Not even close.

Carl has aways given the majority of the draft "power" to his head coaches. Not taking it away from the coaches that can't evaluate talent is his biggest mistake, IMO.
prolly .....


not keeping some separation between talent evaluation and the current coaching staff has lead to inconsistent, if not shitty, drafting.


although i still think good coaching maximizes each draft pick


ie a defense player could crash and burn under vermeil but might be solid under Herm. Most offensive player are gonna have a hard time succeeding under Herm than they would under Vermeil.


proper development heavily influences the draft picks
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:57 AM   #7
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:02 AM   #8
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:07 AM   #9
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Failures in the draft, without question.

Not even close.

Carl has aways given the majority of the draft "power" to his head coaches. Not taking it away from the coaches that can't evaluate talent is his biggest mistake, IMO.
Really?

I actually was thinking in the other direction--not even close.

Peterson is going to give a lot of leeway to coaches when it comes to drafting players. In many ways he has to. They are the ones implementing a system and identifying players to fit that system. In the 90's, KC's drafts weren't great, but they weren't horrible either. In fact I would say that they were even above average for the league.

He hires Cunningham and DV, successively, and his ability to judge talent erodes? Doubtful. More likely the coach that is giving huge input is picking the wrong guys. That's not an error in drafting, but an error in picking the head coach.

Now Herm becomes head coach and Peterson knows how to draft again? uh-uh. Herm has picked up talent but is over his head as the head coach.

Peterson is responsible for selecting who he thinks will guide the football team and keeping the books in order. He has done his job on the latter, but on the former he has been woefully inadequate. I give blame (and credit) to the head coaches for the drafts.
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Really?

I actually was thinking in the other direction--not even close.

Peterson is going to give a lot of leeway to coaches when it comes to drafting players. In many ways he has to. They are the ones implementing a system and identifying players to fit that system. In the 90's, KC's drafts weren't great, but they weren't horrible either. In fact I would say that they were even above average for the league.

He hires Cunningham and DV, successively, and his ability to judge talent erodes? Doubtful. More likely the coach that is giving huge input is picking the wrong guys. That's not an error in drafting, but an error in picking the head coach.

Now Herm becomes head coach and Peterson knows how to draft again? uh-uh. Herm has picked up talent but is over his head as the head coach.

Peterson is responsible for selecting who he thinks will guide the football team and keeping the books in order. He has done his job on the latter, but on the former he has been woefully inadequate. I give blame (and credit) to the head coaches for the drafts.
You should go back and re-read my post.

I never said that CP was good or bad at evaluating talent, only that he made a mistake in NOT taking away power to the coaches (Gunther, DV) that have no eye for talent.

There are plenty of coaches in the NFL that aren't neccessarily the best talent evaluators. But they have a strong scouting and personnel department behind them.
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Really, one kind of leads to the other, but...

I'll go draft.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:52 AM   #12
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Carl uses the draft to get head coaches. 4th for Herm, DV was a 2nd & 3rd?
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Carl sucks at picking head coaches.
Hades just froze over...I am agreeing with you.
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