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02-15-2006, 07:10 PM | Topic Starter |
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Sports stadium roundtable on 38 the spot
Jack Harry, Kevin Keitzman, county sports figures debating the issue.
Kind of interesting so far if you can deal with the personalities clashing. |
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02-15-2006, 09:13 PM | #2 | |
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02-15-2006, 09:17 PM | #3 |
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Harry and KK would be like watching Dumb and Dumber.
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02-15-2006, 09:25 PM | #4 |
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So ... watched the show and here's the short(ish) version for those that missed it:
That's about it in a nutshell -- the pro side used facts and logic, the against used interruptions, raised voices and emotion. Was quite impressed with Sly (although he did bring up the "do it or they will leave" argument, which I wish he wouldn't have). MM ~~
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02-15-2006, 09:40 PM | #5 |
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Have I mentioned lately that I HATE Jack Harry? He's a bitter old man and a stupid bastard.
I'm glad that someone finally stood up to KK and called him on his downtown stadium BS. I'm sure that KK will twist things around and make himself look like a hero on his radio show tomorrow.
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02-15-2006, 10:10 PM | #6 |
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For the uninformed, like me, who is Sly, yo?
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According the way the ballot is written, the MOST taxpayers would put in is $425 million. Period. I could be wrong, but after reading the executive summary and both leases, that's the way I read it. Not sure where that $800 million keeps coming from. My theory is that KK keeps throwing it out there because he wants a downtown ballpark (probably because Union Broadcasting would benefit financially from development in the area). Considering that a new football stadium would run about $400 - 500 million, and a baseball stadium $200 -300 million, throwing out that $800 million figure makes it look as though two new stadiums could be had for the prices of refurbishing. Again, I'm not 100% sure (I'm actually going to talk with some folks tomorrow about this whole thing ... folks with intimate knowledge of the issue) but the $800 million is not how much tax would be collected. Also, if JaxCo can't afford to build the stadiums, how in the hell is WyCo? And for those that don't know, Sly was the African American lawyer on the "for" side. He posts over at ChiefsCoaltion (where I have to go at work since the Planet is blocked. Nice board, actually ... not quite as crazy or balls to the wall as here, but pleasant and informative.) MM ~~
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Frankly, I think that the Royals should move anywhere else. If they are sure that KC-Live and the Sprint Center are going to get people into downtown, then put the new ballpark there. Right now, the Royals just aren't going to be competitive unless they can start getting people in the seats.
If the Royals hadn't won a game all year, but THE K was around 119th and I-35, they would still put a ton of passing traffic in the seats. I'd go once a week, instead of twice a year... So would just about everybody I know. Yeah, the stadiums are built very well, and if improvements were made, they would be really really really really cool... But people still wouldn't show up because the damn thing is 45 minutes away from EVERYTHING. I'd rather build a shitty ballpark in a better location. The cool thing is, if we did it right, we could get a better ballpark AND a better location! |
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Building a new ballpark downtown or in WyCo or next to your favorite Starbucks on 119th St won't change he fundamental problem with baseball...which is a lack of revenue sharing, salary floor and cap. A new baseball stadium won't change that equation no matter where we build it. It hasn't changed the baseball forturnes in Denver, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati or Milwaukee. Won't change a thing here either. As for you and everyone you know who live in Johnson County, the edge of the world doesn't exist at I-435 and State Line. And that's a condescending slap at my friends, who happen to live near the current ballparks. That type of statement is why people who live in Jackson County get steamed by the JoCo types. JoCo's bitch about the stadiums, bitch about the amenities, bitch about the Missouri roads. But don't put their money where their mouth is. You're users, not contributors. Additionally, financially JoCo's are in the best position to pay, but don't. The only execption is they agreed to help on Bi-State I to fix the train station, and that's it. One time help. Big whoop. You don't have stadiums in JoCo by design. That's why rich tight fisted people live there. Every other county in the Metro has provided something for greater community good: Jackson County has the stadiums, Kemper, Sprint Arena and art museums. Platte County has the airport. Clay County has Worlds of Fun. Wyandotte County has the NASCAR track. What's Johnson County got? A bunch of gated communities and private golf courses. In the last stadium Bi-State Vote, Jackson County voted yes, but the issue failed because Johnson County voted no. Now Jackson County is going to take this problem on solo, same as it ever was. And it will probably pass in April, because Jackson County sees the economic benefit of keeping the sports complex right where it is, in Jackson County. So don't expect anything for the greater public good to come to your tight fisted neighborhood anytime soon. Your neighbors don't want the riff raff. Just my humble opinion. |
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I know that if my travel to and from the stadium went from 10-15 minutes to 45 minutes (such as if it were at 119th and 35) I would be much less likely to go. I would probably only go once or twice a year. I don't think the attendance boost over the long term would materialize. There are as many people in Liberty/Independence/Raytown/Lee's Summit/North KC/Gladstone who are going as there would be in Overland Park and Olathe. There's no need to move the stadium. The long-term fix for the Royals is for baseball to level it's playing field, not for us to play king of the hill over stadiums. |
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The only thing which will get the butts in the seats and keep them there is a winning club. The only thing which will produce a winning club is an overhaul of the system. There is going to be way to much to do downtown to put butts in the stadium for 3plus hours watching a suck ass game. |
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Dave Helling was the only one there who looked like they had brain cells to rub together.
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