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nychief · 06-08-2006, 04:22 PM

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/baseb...mes-179400.php

2006
So ... We've Got Some Affidavit Names

pujolsblue.jpgEveryone’s guessing about who the blacked-out names in the Jason Grimsley report are, and it has been a fun parlor game so far. But we all knew eventually the names would get out. And we’ve been digging around … and some sources have given us some names.

How reliable are these names? We feel pretty confident in them, but we can’t go 100 percent, since the information is secondhand. We’ll say this: If Bud Selig issuing a press release naming the names is a 10, and picking a player at random out of the Baseball Encyclopedia is a 1, we’re at an 8.

So. Let’s do it then. Remember: Betting lines are for entertainment purposes only.

First: The person who told Grimsley about the positive test in 2003. That’s former Royals general manager Allard Baird.

As many people have guessed, one of the “former players” who were sold out by Grimsley: Sammy Sosa. Our source(s) couldn’t confirm if the other was Rafael Palmeiro.

Nothing new or exciting about that name. Then it starts to get interesting. We’ve heard amphetamine rumors of Miguel Tejada, but we can’t confirm that. What we can confirm? The doozy.

Grimsley says that a former employee of [redacted] and personal fitness trainer to several Major League Baseball players once referred him to an amphetamine source.. Later, this source provided him with “amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone.” This trainer? His name is Chris Mihlfeld, a Kansas City-based “strength and conditioning guru.” (And former Strength And Conditioning Coordinator for the Royals.)

Does Mihlfeld’s name sound familiar? If it doesn’t, he — and we assure you, this gives us no pleasure to write this — has been Albert Pujols’ personal trainer since before Pujols was drafted by the Cardinals in the 13th round of the 1999 draft. We have no confirmation that Pujols’ name is in the affidavit … but Mihlfeld’s is. If you read the document, it doesn’t say the trainer/Mihlfeld supplied all the HGH and what-not; it just says the trainer was the referrer.

Yeah. Sigh. We just report what we’re told, folks. Ever hope your source is wrong? This is one of those times.

(UPDATE: OK, we’ve taken our head out of the microwave long enough to update you a bit. First, here’s a blog entry from Mihlfeld’s sister about his friendship with Pujols. And, on a more amusing (and somewhat damning) note, here’s a “diary” Grimsley wrote about his quick recovery from Tommy John surgery. (At MLB.com!) He thanks Mihlfeld for helping him with his recovery.

We repeat: We are not claiming that Pujols has taken HGH. We are simply pointing out that Milhfeld is reportedly mentioned in the affidavit, and that he has connections to be Grimsley and Pujols. Now, if you’ll excuse us, we’re going to go back to our silent screams of pain.)

chief2000 · 06-08-2006, 04:25 PM

wow.

How do they test for HGH ?

Mecca · 06-08-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chief2000

wow.

How do they test for HGH ?

It's basically impossible....since HGH is in your bloodstream to begin with.

Mr. Laz · 06-08-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's basically impossible....since HGH is in your bloodstream to begin with.

i believe in olympic events and the bicycle tour they test regularly and athletes actually test positive if the HGH level spikes above their normal level.

that why that magazine was saying that Lance armstrong was positive from a test way back 3 or 4 years ago ... they were trying to test it for HGH without a base sample or something.

to get rid of HGH, baseball would have to regularly test EVERY player EVERY year.

ChiefsFire · 06-08-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

i believe in olympic events and the bicycle tour they test regularly and athletes actually test positive if the HGH level spikes above their normal level.

that why that magazine was saying that Lance armstrong was positive from a test way back 3 or 4 years ago ... they were trying to test it for HGH without a base sample or something.

to get rid of HGH, baseball would have to regularly test EVERY player EVERY year.

dead on with the last part Laz...the next problem i see though is,the tests will haveta be done on some sort of regular interval..that means these guys will have an idea when these tests will be...hard to be random

T-post Tom · 06-08-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's basically impossible....since HGH is in your bloodstream to begin with.

Actually, they do have an expensive blood test that can detect synthetic HGH.

CoMoChief · 06-09-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chief2000

wow.

How do they test for HGH ?

Through blood tests, though the MLB does not give out blood tests so its a stalemate really.

hawkchief · 06-09-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

Through blood tests, though the MLB does not give out blood tests so its a stalemate really.

It's a stalemate because MLB and the MLBPA want it to be. By continually turning their heads in an effort to keep $$$$$$ pouring itno the sport, these parties are ruining the credibility of the game (whats left of it). It's time to recognize the elephant in the middle of the room and take action.

FringeNC · 06-09-2006, 02:02 PM

The lastest from Deadspin, and it's not looking real good for Mike Sweeney either:

OK, probably time for a Jason Grimsley update.

First off, in the biggest news of the day, trainer Chris Mihlfeld has denied our source’s report that his name is in the document. (In multiple places.)

“I just don’t want my name to be part of this,” Mihlfeld said. “It’s not fair to me. It’s not fair to my family. It’s not fair to the other players I work with. It’s not fair to the kids I work with … They’ve got the wrong name on that deal.

“I know Jason Grimsley very well. And I have only two statements to make. One, Jason Grimsley is still my good friend. And two, I’ve never been involved in any illegal steroids, amphetamines or HGH activity. Period.”
Mihlfeld also said Jason Grimsley’s lawyer told him he wasn’t in the affidavit either. Our source stands behind his/her story, so we have no choice but to do so ourselves. After our report yesterday, there’s all kinds of business blowing up out there. The Boston Herald has dragged the tortured soul of Chuck Knoblauch into this. Meanwhile, someone dug up an invite Mihlfeld sent out about the opening of his training faciity. (Thanks to The Sports Frog on this one.) To quote:

We also have more important dates to announce Mike Sweeney from the K.C. Royals will be there on Jan 14th 06 to do a camp with Chris Mihlfeld. Also Albert Pujols will be back in early Feb for a hitting clinic, and Jason Grimsley will be there at the end of January for pitching clinics.
By the way, we feel obliged to — once again — clarify our initial report. A few facts:

• There is no claim that Albert Pujols has taken HGH.
• There is no claim that Mihlfeld was in any way a distributor of HGH, or steroids.
• There is a source — whose confidence has always been rated at “80 percent” — who says Mihlfeld’s name is in the report. Mihlfeld has denied this, and we, as always, hope he’s right. As anyone who has ever read this site knows, Albert Pujols is our favorite player. We own four different pieces of merchandise with his name on it. We are out to get no one, least of all him.

Regardless of Mihlfeld’s name in the report, the connection of Grimsley to Mihlfeld and Mihlfeld to Pujols is now officially established. When you read the full report, and read the full breadth of Grimsley’s steroid/HGH/amphetamine abuse, the man who trained him back from a brutal Tommy John surgery is sure to remain under suspicion, fairly or otherwise.

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/baseb...meo-179686.php

**Reaper16** · 06-08-2006, 04:29 PM

I just read that by way of Royalboard and was just about to post the same link.

I was never one to think Pujols was juicing, but this has to be looked into. These things usually aren't coincidences. Scary.

Hootie · 06-08-2006, 04:34 PM

I think if any player hits more than 10 HR's in a month, they should automatically be considered a 'cheater' until proven otherwise!

**BigRedChief** · 06-08-2006, 04:37 PM

Sweeney, Pujols and Jason all have the same off season trainer. Thats the only connection.

nychief · 06-08-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Sweeney, Pujols and Jason all have the same off season trainer. Thats the only connection.

great. so, never mind. no need to be concerned.

**Reaper16** · 06-08-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

great. so, never mind. no need to be concerned.

FringeNC · 06-08-2006, 04:38 PM

My guess is he is juicing. He was on pace to break Bonds' HR record. Guys just don't hit 70 HRs unless they are juiced.

I thought Bonds was being unfairly singled out as an abuser. Bonds has been essentially the best player in the league since he entered the league a long time ago, and the chemicals turned him into Superman...Off the roids, Sammy Sosa isn't even the league any more.

By the way, what do you guys think about steroids for a pitcher coming off of arm surgery. There is no doubt he'll heal faster. I think injured players should be able to use it under controlled conditions.

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nychief MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Casino cash: $6909466	Cardinals Fans, Your Hero Might Have Dirty Laundry http://www.deadspin.com/sports/baseb...mes-179400.php 2006 So ... We've Got Some Affidavit Names pujolsblue.jpgEveryone’s guessing about who the blacked-out names in the Jason Grimsley report are, and it has been a fun parlor game so far. But we all knew eventually the names would get out. And we’ve been digging around … and some sources have given us some names. How reliable are these names? We feel pretty confident in them, but we can’t go 100 percent, since the information is secondhand. We’ll say this: If Bud Selig issuing a press release naming the names is a 10, and picking a player at random out of the Baseball Encyclopedia is a 1, we’re at an 8. So. Let’s do it then. Remember: Betting lines are for entertainment purposes only. First: The person who told Grimsley about the positive test in 2003. That’s former Royals general manager Allard Baird. As many people have guessed, one of the “former players” who were sold out by Grimsley: Sammy Sosa. Our source(s) couldn’t confirm if the other was Rafael Palmeiro. Nothing new or exciting about that name. Then it starts to get interesting. We’ve heard amphetamine rumors of Miguel Tejada, but we can’t confirm that. What we can confirm? The doozy. Grimsley says that a former employee of [redacted] and personal fitness trainer to several Major League Baseball players once referred him to an amphetamine source.. Later, this source provided him with “amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone.” This trainer? His name is Chris Mihlfeld, a Kansas City-based “strength and conditioning guru.” (And former Strength And Conditioning Coordinator for the Royals.) Does Mihlfeld’s name sound familiar? If it doesn’t, he — and we assure you, this gives us no pleasure to write this — has been Albert Pujols’ personal trainer since before Pujols was drafted by the Cardinals in the 13th round of the 1999 draft. We have no confirmation that Pujols’ name is in the affidavit … but Mihlfeld’s is. If you read the document, it doesn’t say the trainer/Mihlfeld supplied all the HGH and what-not; it just says the trainer was the referrer. Yeah. Sigh. We just report what we’re told, folks. Ever hope your source is wrong? This is one of those times. (UPDATE: OK, we’ve taken our head out of the microwave long enough to update you a bit. First, here’s a blog entry from Mihlfeld’s sister about his friendship with Pujols. And, on a more amusing (and somewhat damning) note, here’s a “diary” Grimsley wrote about his quick recovery from Tommy John surgery. (At MLB.com!) He thanks Mihlfeld for helping him with his recovery. We repeat: We are not claiming that Pujols has taken HGH. We are simply pointing out that Milhfeld is reportedly mentioned in the affidavit, and that he has connections to be Grimsley and Pujols. Now, if you’ll excuse us, we’re going to go back to our silent screams of pain.)
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FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1536014	The lastest from Deadspin, and it's not looking real good for Mike Sweeney either: OK, probably time for a Jason Grimsley update. First off, in the biggest news of the day, trainer Chris Mihlfeld has denied our source’s report that his name is in the document. (In multiple places.) “I just don’t want my name to be part of this,” Mihlfeld said. “It’s not fair to me. It’s not fair to my family. It’s not fair to the other players I work with. It’s not fair to the kids I work with … They’ve got the wrong name on that deal. “I know Jason Grimsley very well. And I have only two statements to make. One, Jason Grimsley is still my good friend. And two, I’ve never been involved in any illegal steroids, amphetamines or HGH activity. Period.” Mihlfeld also said Jason Grimsley’s lawyer told him he wasn’t in the affidavit either. Our source stands behind his/her story, so we have no choice but to do so ourselves. After our report yesterday, there’s all kinds of business blowing up out there. The Boston Herald has dragged the tortured soul of Chuck Knoblauch into this. Meanwhile, someone dug up an invite Mihlfeld sent out about the opening of his training faciity. (Thanks to The Sports Frog on this one.) To quote: We also have more important dates to announce Mike Sweeney from the K.C. Royals will be there on Jan 14th 06 to do a camp with Chris Mihlfeld. Also Albert Pujols will be back in early Feb for a hitting clinic, and Jason Grimsley will be there at the end of January for pitching clinics. By the way, we feel obliged to — once again — clarify our initial report. A few facts: • There is no claim that Albert Pujols has taken HGH. • There is no claim that Mihlfeld was in any way a distributor of HGH, or steroids. • There is a source — whose confidence has always been rated at “80 percent” — who says Mihlfeld’s name is in the report. Mihlfeld has denied this, and we, as always, hope he’s right. As anyone who has ever read this site knows, Albert Pujols is our favorite player. We own four different pieces of merchandise with his name on it. We are out to get no one, least of all him. Regardless of Mihlfeld’s name in the report, the connection of Grimsley to Mihlfeld and Mihlfeld to Pujols is now officially established. When you read the full report, and read the full breadth of Grimsley’s steroid/HGH/amphetamine abuse, the man who trained him back from a brutal Tommy John surgery is sure to remain under suspicion, fairly or otherwise. http://www.deadspin.com/sports/baseb...meo-179686.php
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FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1536014	My guess is he is juicing. He was on pace to break Bonds' HR record. Guys just don't hit 70 HRs unless they are juiced. I thought Bonds was being unfairly singled out as an abuser. Bonds has been essentially the best player in the league since he entered the league a long time ago, and the chemicals turned him into Superman...Off the roids, Sammy Sosa isn't even the league any more. By the way, what do you guys think about steroids for a pitcher coming off of arm surgery. There is no doubt he'll heal faster. I think injured players should be able to use it under controlled conditions.
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