What is a Chief Fan's # 1 priority

crazycoffey · 12-30-2006, 04:44 PM

I got off on a rant and was inspired to start this thread topic. I said then that I stand behind CP and Herm that we could be doing a lot worse than what they have done for us to date.

My question is what should be my #1 priority as a Chiefs fan, at least according to the negative nancy's of this BB.

Should it be the playoffs? How about the Superbowl?

I contend that a fan's #1 priority should be a winning record and here is why;

Simply put, look at the odds. The mindset that we should have a playoff or a superbowl bid as a main goal in a season is the same mindset that has led to the success of many a casino owner in Vegas. It's just not the odds you should be focused on.

Two 16 team conferences to two superbowl bids is to far against the odds to hold that as my #1 goal for my Chiefs. Period.

With six playoff bids for a 16 team conference the odds get better, but this is very close to 2/3 of the conference not making the playoffs, again, the odds. If you know more than 60% of the coin flips are going to me on a head to head match up, why would you bet against yourself?? And then complain that you didn't beat me?

If you agree with me, let me know. If you don't try and make a better argument for a different theory.

CoMoChief · 12-30-2006, 04:45 PM

If anyone here looks forward to anything less than the Super Bowl they're idiots. That's the main prize and in reality, not winning one means failure.

crazycoffey · 12-30-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

If anyone here looks forward to anything less than the Super Bowl they're idiots. That's the main prize and in reality, not winning one means failure.

are you making the most money at your job?

Then you are a failure, according to your logic

CoMoChief · 12-30-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

are you making the most money at your job?

Then you are a failure, according to your logic

You're not getting my point obviously.

crazycoffey · 12-30-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

You're not getting my point obviously.

I don't think you are getting my point, yes our ultimate goal for the chiefs is to win the superbowl, but that's not what I was asking about to start this thread conversation.

so yes I understood your point just fine.

**Dave Lane** · 12-26-2013, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

If anyone here looks forward to anything less than the Super Bowl they're idiots. That's the main prize and in reality, not winning one means failure.

Holy crap Como and I agree on something, I'm just standing here beside myself.

HermIsKing · 12-30-2006, 04:56 PM

people on tihs board who do . not support herm are not real fans

**chiefforlife** · 12-30-2006, 05:09 PM

You have to be kidding me!! If you arent trying to win a championship then what the hell are you doing. Are you Carl Peterson in disguise?? As long as we are 500 and selling out the stadium, we are successfull. Thats BS!!

You cant compare every day life with proffesional sports.

The Chiefs front office is happy with a winning record and thats what makes it so frustrating to be a Chief fan. How can you ask the players to compete if all you want is a winning record. Ask any of them and they will tell you they play for a RING, a CHAMPIONSHIP!!

"You play to win the game"

crazycoffey · 12-30-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cfl

You have to be kidding me!! If you arent trying to win a championship then what the hell are you doing. Are you Carl Peterson in disguise?? As long as we are 500 and selling out the stadium, we are successfull. Thats BS!!

You cant compare every day life with proffesional sports.

The Chiefs front office is happy with a winning record and thats what makes it so frustrating to be a Chief fan. How can you ask the players to compete if all you want is a winning record. Ask any of them and they will tell you they play for a RING, a CHAMPIONSHIP!!

"You play to win the game"

are you answering with your ULTIMATE GOAL or your #1 priority, do you need a dictonary to know the difference?

I bet you are just another of the Negative Nancy's that would complain about anything, just to have a say in the world.

**chiefforlife** · 12-30-2006, 05:20 PM

Why dont you ask Will Shields if he is Happy, wasting his entire career on a mediocre team?? Sure some of it was fun but that isnt the #1 priority. Ask Tony Gonzalez the same thing?

Yeah I know, Im not a player, but I have the same #1 priority. No, its not the end of the world if we dont get there but some progress would be nice. Working towards that goal would be nice. To be content with a 9-7 season is not what sports is about.

crazycoffey · 12-30-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cfl

Why dont you ask Will Shields if he is Happy, wasting his entire career on a mediocre team?? Sure some of it was fun but that isnt the #1 priority. Ask Tony Gonzalez the same thing?

Yeah I know, Im not a player, but I have the same #1 priority. No, its not the end of the world if we dont get there but some progress would be nice. Working towards that goal would be nice. To be content with a 9-7 season is not what sports is about.

again I didn't ask about the players perspective, nor about being content, I ask about our number 1 priority as fans, hopefully to get some of the negative comments off this site and hopefully promote some positive comments.

I also realize that this is like overcoming the odds for the playoffs this year, but at least I am trying

oaklandhater · 12-30-2006, 06:00 PM

My # 1 priority would be to have some bad seasons so we can get some decent drafts.

**Reaper16** · 12-30-2006, 05:02 PM

Looking at things objectively, our number one priority should be to kill ourselves. Fortunately, I have a problem with procrastination.

trndobrd · 12-30-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

With six playoff bids for a 16 team conference the odds get better, but this is very close to 2/3 of the conference not making the playoffs, again, the odds. If you know more than 60% of the coin flips are going to me on a head to head match up, why would you bet against yourself?? And then complain that you didn't beat me?

If you agree with me, let me know. If you don't try and make a better argument for a different theory.

Your assumption is that the outcome of a particular game is determined by a 50-50 random chance. That is not the case in football...if it was, the team captains could simply meet in the center of the field, shake hands, call the coin toss and everyone could go home. Would certainly save wear and tear on the field.

My theory is that NFL football teams (except the Lions) try to make personnel and game plan decisions based on winning football games. A series of correct decisions by the GM, Head Coach, and Players results in victories. Some organizations do a consistently better job over time of making correct decisons.

Think of it like playing tournament poker...players that consistently make good decisions over time will win over time. The goal is to string enough good decisions together to win the tournament, not win 50% of your hands.

crazycoffey · 12-30-2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trndobrd

Your assumption is that the outcome of a particular game is determined by a 50-50 random chance. That is not the case in football...if it was, the team captains could simply meet in the center of the field, shake hands, call the coin toss and everyone could go home. Would certainly save wear and tear on the field.

My theory is that NFL football teams (except the Lions) try to make personnel and game plan decisions based on winning football games. A series of correct decisions by the GM, Head Coach, and Players results in victories. Some organizations do a consistently better job over time of making correct decisons.

Think of it like playing tournament poker...players that consistently make good decisions over time will win over time. The goal is to string enough good decisions together to win the tournament, not win 50% of your hands.

The thought process from the quote you commented on was about the odds of making the playoffs, not for a one game outcome, more for the out come of 16 teams playing 16 games and the if the outcome = a playoff birth or not. Included with this was my rant on the negativity of some chief fans, that we suck if we don't win a superbowl or we suck if we don't get in the playoffs.

My point is that we suck if we have a losing record, and we should try to enjoy the season for what it is..... a game.

12-30-2006, 04:44 PM	Topic Starter
crazycoffey .......... Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $4157901	What is a Chief Fan's # 1 priority I got off on a rant and was inspired to start this thread topic. I said then that I stand behind CP and Herm that we could be doing a lot worse than what they have done for us to date. My question is what should be my #1 priority as a Chiefs fan, at least according to the negative nancy's of this BB. Should it be the playoffs? How about the Superbowl? I contend that a fan's #1 priority should be a winning record and here is why; Simply put, look at the odds. The mindset that we should have a playoff or a superbowl bid as a main goal in a season is the same mindset that has led to the success of many a casino owner in Vegas. It's just not the odds you should be focused on. Two 16 team conferences to two superbowl bids is to far against the odds to hold that as my #1 goal for my Chiefs. Period. With six playoff bids for a 16 team conference the odds get better, but this is very close to 2/3 of the conference not making the playoffs, again, the odds. If you know more than 60% of the coin flips are going to me on a head to head match up, why would you bet against yourself?? And then complain that you didn't beat me? If you agree with me, let me know. If you don't try and make a better argument for a different theory.
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12-30-2006, 04:45 PM	#2
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	If anyone here looks forward to anything less than the Super Bowl they're idiots. That's the main prize and in reality, not winning one means failure.
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12-30-2006, 04:56 PM	#7
HermIsKing Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 1 Arrowhead Drive Casino cash: $10004900	people on tihs board who do . not support herm are not real fans
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12-30-2006, 05:09 PM	#8
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	You have to be kidding me!! If you arent trying to win a championship then what the hell are you doing. Are you Carl Peterson in disguise?? As long as we are 500 and selling out the stadium, we are successfull. Thats BS!! You cant compare every day life with proffesional sports. The Chiefs front office is happy with a winning record and thats what makes it so frustrating to be a Chief fan. How can you ask the players to compete if all you want is a winning record. Ask any of them and they will tell you they play for a RING, a CHAMPIONSHIP!! "You play to win the game"
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12-30-2006, 05:20 PM	#10
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Why dont you ask Will Shields if he is Happy, wasting his entire career on a mediocre team?? Sure some of it was fun but that isnt the #1 priority. Ask Tony Gonzalez the same thing? Yeah I know, Im not a player, but I have the same #1 priority. No, its not the end of the world if we dont get there but some progress would be nice. Working towards that goal would be nice. To be content with a 9-7 season is not what sports is about.
Posts: 5,717

12-30-2006, 06:00 PM	#12
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5888993	My # 1 priority would be to have some bad seasons so we can get some decent drafts.
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