Are we better at LB?

runnercyclist · 08-27-2007, 11:05 AM

I've watched all three preseason games and I must say I expected to be impressed with this group. DJ should be better with another year of experience and I'm all for Bell losing his job.

I've not seen the gains from DJ I'd hoped. Edwards hasn't shown much and Nap Harris has looked nappy. Key Fox (one of my personal favs) even looks like he's forgotten how to tackle.

This squad should be better than last year. Have you seen improvement or will we?

Hydrae · 08-27-2007, 11:06 AM

It's all vanilla preseason crap, nothing to really tell yet.

MGRS13 · 08-27-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

It's all vanilla preseason crap, nothing to really tell yet.

"vanilla" is just another 400 lb chiefs gorilla, I've seen every other team in the league blitzing on D and using motion on the line during offensive possesions. I understand you're not going to show your hand alot during preseason but that was the cover two we were running against the saints, and that folks is our defense. Is it better? Hard to tell, but it is what it is. As far as our offense goes thats it, add LJ to what we were doing during the last three games and thats all you get. Solari has 0 reason to be running an NFL offense. He has no creativity and no imagination, its run,run,pass, punt, get used to it- as long as Herm is here its all u get.

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13

"vanilla" is just another 400 lb chiefs gorilla, I've seen every other team in the league blitzing on D and using motion on the line during offensive possesions. I understand you're not going to show your hand alot during preseason but that was the cover two we were running against the saints, and that folks is our defense. Is it better? Hard to tell, but it is what it is. As far as our offense goes thats it, add LJ to what we were doing during the last three games and thats all you get. Solari has 0 reason to be running an NFL offense. He has no creativity and no imagination, its run,run,pass, punt, get used to it- as long as Herm is here its all u get.

Solari has worked with, and for, some brilliant offensive coaches. I have no doubt that THIS offense is a product of Solari calling the plays his head coach tells him to call.

MGRS13 · 08-27-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Solari has worked with, and for, some brilliant offensive coaches. I have no doubt that THIS offense is a product of Solari calling the plays his head coach tells him to call.

Why would he risk his career? After running this offense he'll never get a chance as an O-cor. again, if he had anything to trick up a D we will see it this year. Hes gonna be facing 11 guys in the box to stop LJ, if he cant beat that D he cant beat any.

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13

Why would he risk his career? After running this offense he'll never get a chance as an O-cor. again, if he had anything to trick up a D we will see it this year. Hes gonna be facing 11 guys in the box to stop LJ, if he cant beat that D he cant beat any.

How is he risking his career? The NFL doesn't do anything except recycle coaches. He'll have a job as long as he wants one.

keg in kc · 08-27-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13

Why would he risk his career? After running this offense he'll never get a chance as an O-cor. again, if he had anything to trick up a D we will see it this year. Hes gonna be facing 11 guys in the box to stop LJ, if he cant beat that D he cant beat any.

If Jimmy Raye can keep getting jobs, Mike Solari can keep getting jobs.

The real irony is that the main reason his offense is failing is the offensive line.

Mr. Laz · 08-27-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Solari has worked with, and for, some brilliant offensive coaches. I have no doubt that THIS offense is a product of Solari calling the plays his head coach tells him to call.

you seem to be changing your tune

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

you seem to be changing your tune

I've always maintained that Solari's playcalling would be, in large part, dictated by the head coach. I've been saying it since the day he was hired.

I just didn't want to let myself believe that Solari would basically acquiesce, nor did I want to let myself believe that Herm was gonna be THIS bad.

I've opened my eyes. So yes, I do seem to be changing my tune.

**cdcox** · 08-27-2007, 11:31 AM

It's easy to be fooled that we have great LB after the Lew Bush years.

DJ is probably our best LB, but he is only considered average according to the stats compiled by Football Outsiders. He's missed a lot of tackles this preseason. Donnie Edwards is still Donnie Edwards. Very active in downfield coverage, but still tends to get drug downfield on tackles. He'll be a huge upgrade over Bell. I'm not sold on Nap Harris, yet. He SHOULD be an upgrade over KM, but...

We probably don't have anyone that desperately needs to be replaced, but we don't have any probowlers either.

LOCOChief · 08-27-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

We probably don't have anyone that desperately needs to be replaced, but we don't have any probowlers either.

right and.....wrong
Nobody that needs replacing
Edwards is a probowler, and should have been more than once IMO.

**cdcox** · 08-27-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief

right and.....wrong
Nobody that needs replacing
Edwards is a probowler, and should have been more than once IMO.

Edwards went once, as an alternate. The odds are long that he will turn in a probowl performance this season.

LOCOChief · 08-27-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Edwards went once, as an alternate. The odds are long that he will turn in a probowl performance this season.

It's funny either our players are so old they are over the hill and past their prime, or they are too young and green and lacking experience. I have seen nothing in Donnie Edwards to make me think his ability is on the decline, but I guess this is why they play the game.

I wouldn't replace our linebackers with any other AFCW LB corp.

keg in kc · 08-27-2007, 11:34 AM

If they're playing 85 snaps every week because the offense 3-and-outs 10 times a game, it wouldn't matter if Jesus was playing linebacker. They're going to wear down. Along with everyone else on the defense.

Particularly if the scheme continues to be designed around the concept of allowing as many yards as possible between the 20s.

Hydrae · 08-27-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

If they're playing 85 snaps every week because the offense 3-and-outs 10 times a game, it wouldn't matter if Jesus was playing linebacker. They're going to wear down. Along with everyone else on the defense.

Particularly if the scheme continues to be designed around the concept of allowing as many yards as possible between the 20s.

I always pictured Jesus as more of a safety.

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runnercyclist Gone to Carolina Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: By lake Wylie in tega cay Casino cash: $10006038	Are we better at LB? I've watched all three preseason games and I must say I expected to be impressed with this group. DJ should be better with another year of experience and I'm all for Bell losing his job. I've not seen the gains from DJ I'd hoped. Edwards hasn't shown much and Nap Harris has looked nappy. Key Fox (one of my personal favs) even looks like he's forgotten how to tackle. This squad should be better than last year. Have you seen improvement or will we?
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08-27-2007, 11:31 AM	#10
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $2031769	It's easy to be fooled that we have great LB after the Lew Bush years. DJ is probably our best LB, but he is only considered average according to the stats compiled by Football Outsiders. He's missed a lot of tackles this preseason. Donnie Edwards is still Donnie Edwards. Very active in downfield coverage, but still tends to get drug downfield on tackles. He'll be a huge upgrade over Bell. I'm not sold on Nap Harris, yet. He SHOULD be an upgrade over KM, but... We probably don't have anyone that desperately needs to be replaced, but we don't have any probowlers either.
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08-27-2007, 11:34 AM	#14
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	If they're playing 85 snaps every week because the offense 3-and-outs 10 times a game, it wouldn't matter if Jesus was playing linebacker. They're going to wear down. Along with everyone else on the defense. Particularly if the scheme continues to be designed around the concept of allowing as many yards as possible between the 20s.
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