Another year of shitty defense in Denver?

[Hammock Parties]

Look at that awesome first-team defensive line!

As rookies, the Broncos' draft class of 2007 had to wait. As second-year players in 2008, those same players have to wait some more.
In the Broncos' base defense, none of the kids are playing with the first team.

Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas and Steven Harris line up with the second team.

They must stay patient while veterans John Engelberger, Alvin McKinley, Dewayne Robertson and Elvis Dumervil take their reps with the first team.

"We know we're the young guys and we've got to work to improve," said Moss, the Broncos' first-round draft pick in 2007 who is coming back from ankle and leg injuries that forced him to miss the second half of his rookie season. "We know nothing is going to be given to us. They've got there on No. 2 base, but whether we're second string or first string, we've got to work."

It's only June. There's still eight mini-camp sessions, all of training camp and the entire preseason before the final depth chart is set. Besides, Broncos defensive coordinator Bob Slowik says teams defer to veterans this time of year.

"Always," Slowik said. "They always get the first opportunity. But everybody out here also knows that every drill we do; everything that is done out here is evaluated, documented."

But Ryan Clady is a rookie, and he's playing with the first-team offense at left tackle. And to watch him handle his own against veteran starting defensive ends Dumervil and Engelberger is to understand why.

Moss and Crowder each got just one start last year, and that was at Indianapolis when the Broncos tried a gimmick, four-end defensive line against Peyton Manning. Those two will have to outplay a veteran before they get their second start this year.

The pass-rushing Moss does come in at left defensive end, with Dumervil shifting to right end, on the Broncos' No. 1 nickel package.

"I feel more and more comfortable every day," Moss said. "I'm definitely less winded, so I'm going to be there."

[beach tribe]

Lovely.

[CupidStunt]

There's something seriously wrong with Moss if he can't beat out a complete turd like John Engobeefburger.

[BigRock]

Incidentally, I heard them saying on the radio that the Chiefs' 1st team defensive line yesterday was Turk, Boone, Dorsey, and Hali, which hopefully sticks.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Incidentally, I heard them saying on the radio that the Chiefs' 1st team defensive line yesterday was Turk, Boone, Dorsey, and Hali, which hopefully sticks.

Nick reported the same thing.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Claythan

Nick reported the same thing.

Jesus, I hope you guys are right.

Boone's listed at kcchiefs.com as a DE. And if there's any chance Turk McBride can play adequately with the first team, I will orgasm.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Claythan

Nick reported the same thing.

After Gretz did.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Brock

After Gretz did.

Or after someone on 610 did. He has his 'sources' you know.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Brock

After Gretz did.

Gretz hasn't reported anything from Tuesday's practice. Nice try.

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Or after someone on 610 did. He has his 'sources' you know.

In this case, Nick's sources are his eyes. He attends practice.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Claythan

Nick reported the same thing.

Sure, he heard it on the radio.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Incidentally, I heard them saying on the radio that the Chiefs' 1st team defensive line yesterday was Turk, Boone, Dorsey, and Hali, which hopefully sticks.

Yep, that wouldn't be too bad. I don't expect much of a pass rush out of McBride but I really don't think that matters. Last year Green Bay started a 300 pounder at DE, Cullen Jenkins. Their pass rush was still fine though because on passing downs they went with Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila who had 9.5 sacks in a reserve role.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by lj4mvp

There's something seriously wrong with Moss if he can't beat out a complete turd like John Engobeefburger.

John is a great guy and a hard worker. He's a true football player.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

John is a great guy and a hard worker. He's a true football player.

Yeah, Eric Hicks was a fan favorite in Kansas City, too.

[StcChief]

we can only hope, our OLine will be ready and gellin' by 9/28/08 at Arrowhead.
LJ, Smith, Charles run for 200, Bowe, Gonzo, Darling, Webb,Franklin have good days receiving.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by StcChief

we can only hope, our OLine will be ready and gellin' by 9/28/08 at Arrowhead.
LJ, Smith, Charles run for 200, Bowe, Gonzo, Darling, Webb,Franklin have good days receiving.

And then after the pregame scrimmage against your defense
they'll be too tired for the actual game