Chiefs How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle?

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:18 PM

Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help...

BUT...

I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT".

My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season?

Thoughts...

**noa** · 07-22-2008, 02:20 PM

I would give him the entire season because we're not competing anyway. But if (read: when) he gets injured again, I think that should definitely factor into the analysis.
I can't say anything stat-wise because we really don't know what is fair to expect having not seen this OL in action. If it is as horrid as last year, I would cut him some slack, but if they give him time and he has a low completion pct and a bad td-to-int ratio, I'd say we should move on.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:20 PM

I'm not willing to be all that patient with Croyle.

People keep telling me I should be, but he's had time to have shown something. Honestly... I think I'm willing to be 8 games patient.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-22-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I think I'm willing to be 8 games patient.

Thats fair as long as the lineplay is better than last season.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Thats fair as long as the lineplay is better than last season.

Other successful QB's have had to endure poor offensive lineplay.
Croyle shouldn't be any different. Good QB's overcome adversity.

HolyHandgernade · 07-22-2008, 02:26 PM

Based on Peterson's tenure, I'd say he has a long rope.

Anyway, that's what I heard.

-HH

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-22-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Good QB's overcome adversity.

Not always. Ask Brady if his offense would have performed better in the SB had the line been able to protect him better?

Mecca · 07-22-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Not always. Ask Brady if his offense would have performed better in the SB had the line been able to protect him better?

The point of this though is you can't make excuses for him, QB's that win bowls elevate players around them, you don't constantly go "he needs this, he needs that" Either he has it or he doesn't...Any half ass QB can be good with a pro bowl supporting cast...

So far he's shown nothing other than he's still injury prone, the scariest thing is that in that Lions game that Croyle got hurt in Huard came in and looked better.....that should send up some flags.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Not always. Ask Brady if his offense would have performed better in the SB had the line been able to protect him better?

Yeah, Manning and Aikman sure overcame adversity in their first years starting, to the tune of 4-32.

Interesting that they both got much better as the team round them got better...

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Not always. Ask Brady if his offense would have performed better in the SB had the line been able to protect him better?

Better is relative.

He played well despite being dumped 5 times.
He completed 60% of his passes at 9 yards per clip for 266 yards and 1 TD.
NO interceptions.

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I'm not willing to be all that patient with Croyle.

People keep telling me I should be, but he's had time to have shown something. Honestly... I think I'm willing to be 8 games patient.

No disrespect, but I think that is a little ridiculous. And there is two reasons why...

(1) I don't think any young, inexperienced QB can prove what he is in 8 games. And when I say that, I'm not even considering last season because he had next to nothing to work with.

(2) KC still needs to build around him. The O Line still needs a lot of time to gel. McIntosh is playing a new position along with Albert who is a rookie. Niswanger has only played in a handful of games. Adrian Jones is a RT moving to RG, and he doesn't have too much playing time. KC still doesn't have a legitimate #2 WR that we know of, and it's a new offensive scheme.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

No disrespect, but I think that is a little ridiculous. And there is two reasons why...

(1) I don't think any young, inexperienced QB can prove what he is in 8 games. And when I say that, I'm not even considering last season because he had next to nothing to work with.

(2) KC still needs to build around him. The O Line still needs a lot of time to gel. McIntosh is playing a new position along with Albert who is a rookie. Niswanger has only played in a handful of games. Adrian Jones is a RT moving to RG, and he doesn't have too much playing time. KC still doesn't have a legitimate #2 WR that we know of, and it's a new offensive scheme.

Mic lives in a world where getting raped in PreSeason games is the same as getting experience in a game that actually matters in Week 11.

For people to say that Croyle didn't show anything last year didn't watch the games...

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Mic lives in a world where getting raped in PreSeason games is the same as getting experience in a game that actually matters in Week 11.

I live in a world where I realize that players go full bore in the pre-season to avoid injury. If first-team NFL players are giving it their all on the field to protect both themselves and their teammates surely I can evaluate Croyle's play during those games.

But even if you threw out those 3 starts...
Six are enough to have shown us something.
I've proven that before. I'll be glad to rehash that argument.

BigChiefFan · 07-22-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

No disrespect, but I think that is a little ridiculous. And there is two reasons why...

(1) I don't think any young, inexperienced QB can prove what he is in 8 games. And when I say that, I'm not even considering last season because he had next to nothing to work with.

(2) KC still needs to build around him. The O Line still needs a lot of time to gel. McIntosh is playing a new position along with Albert who is a rookie. Niswanger has only played in a handful of games. Adrian Jones is a RT moving to RG, and he doesn't have too much playing time. KC still doesn't have a legitimate #2 WR that we know of, and it's a new offensive scheme.

This will be his THIRD year, if he doesn't show signs of improvement eight games into, he's likely a bust.

**Bowser** · 07-22-2008, 02:35 PM

I'm already on the Tyler Thigpen bandwagon.

I don't know - I'll give the kid half a season to show something, but I won't "throw him under the bus" if he gets as good supporting help around him as he did last year. The line MUST play better, period, for him or anyone on offense to be improved.

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TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9870185	How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle? Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help... BUT... I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT". My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season? Thoughts...
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noa Band Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $1045453	I would give him the entire season because we're not competing anyway. But if (read: when) he gets injured again, I think that should definitely factor into the analysis. I can't say anything stat-wise because we really don't know what is fair to expect having not seen this OL in action. If it is as horrid as last year, I would cut him some slack, but if they give him time and he has a low completion pct and a bad td-to-int ratio, I'd say we should move on. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes, well, he eats you.
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Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I'm not willing to be all that patient with Croyle. People keep telling me I should be, but he's had time to have shown something. Honestly... I think I'm willing to be 8 games patient.
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HolyHandgernade Integralist Join Date: May 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Casino cash: $10006370	Based on Peterson's tenure, I'd say he has a long rope. Anyway, that's what I heard. -HH __________________ You'll see it's all a show, keep 'em laughing as you go, just remember, the last laugh is on you, and always look on the bright side of life!
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Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $2971616	I'm already on the Tyler Thigpen bandwagon. I don't know - I'll give the kid half a season to show something, but I won't "throw him under the bus" if he gets as good supporting help around him as he did last year. The line MUST play better, period, for him or anyone on offense to be improved.
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