Chiefs This has gone beyond "rebuilding"

**petegz28** · 10-05-2008, 08:18 PM

After Sunday's drubbing at the hands of the Panthers, the Chiefs are faced with some cold hard realities. They are going backwards. They have gone so far backwards that they have taken this team to the lowest in it's history.

It is more than obvious Herm has no ****ing clue of how to coach a football team and win. I seriously think that our practices are giant excuse making parties.

Not 1 part of this team has improved from the time Herm has arrived. Not 1. The defense showed promise last year only to take 3 steps back this year.

And Carl is not without blame in all of this. He knew the situation that would be created with our D line when we traded Allen. So from the draft on we didn't make any effort to sign a DE worth a shit. Instead we got suckered into another one of his bullshit schemes where we move the LE to the RE and the DT to DE and pretend it will all work. MLB was not addressed and our O line was improved by 1 player only.

Instead this team wasted time with the likes of BJ Samms ala Eddie Drummond, Devard Darling ala Gardner and still have yet to sign a kicker worth a shit since Stoyo.

It will suck when the blackouts hit. I can't remember a blackout since the Deberg days.

Deberg_1990 · 10-05-2008, 08:21 PM

Here is an ugly thought:

Would any other NFL team retain a HC whos working on his third 4 win or less season in the past 4 seasons? (remember Herm went 4-12 with the Jets in 2005)

Only the Chiefs.......

**Bob Dole** · 10-05-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Here is an ugly thought:

Would any other NFL team retain a HC whos working on his third 4 win or less season in the past 4 seasons? (remember Herm went 4-12 with the Jets in 2005)

Only the Chiefs.......

Or a president and general manager that hasn't taken his team to a Super Bowl...well...ever?

MIAdragon · 10-05-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Here is an ugly thought:

Would any other NFL team retain a HC whos working on his third 4 win or less season in the past 4 seasons? (remember Herm went 4-12 with the Jets in 2005)

Only the Chiefs.......

and we TRADED a pick for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deberg_1990 · 10-05-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

and we TRADED a pick for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Lord...i had forgotten about that.

I need a gun....

teedubya · 10-05-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Good Lord...i had forgotten about that.

I need a gun....

How could you have forgotten? The thread gets bumped after each loss.

**luv** · 10-05-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

and we TRADED a pick for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, we worked so hard to get a coach with a coaching record of less than .500.

chiefs1111 · 10-05-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Here is an ugly thought:

Would any other NFL team retain a HC whos working on his third 4 win or less season in the past 4 seasons? (remember Herm went 4-12 with the Jets in 2005)

Only the Chiefs.......

Nope just us cause we are dumb...............

**luv** · 10-05-2008, 08:39 PM

Up until last week, everyone was expecting 0-16. After the game last week, I actually read where people thought we could go anywhere for 5-11 to 8-8. Now, we're back to never winning again (this season anyway). I haven't been a Chiefs fan for very long, but I knew better than to expect great things from one good game. We're too inconsistent and our coaching sucks.

**alpha_omega** · 10-06-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

We're too inconsistent and our coaching sucks.

That about sums it up...consistently inconsistent!

Brock · 10-06-2008, 08:28 AM

If you got "suckered", you have only yourself to blame. I don't know why anyone is surprised about this. We went into the season with an injury prone QB, who, (surprise!), got injured week 1. We had only an older, weaker, and less talented Elvis Grbac backing him up. We had a young, inexperienced defensive line, and rookies in the seconday, and no true MLB. You shoulda done the math.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-05-2008, 08:32 PM

The Falcons, Dolphins and Bills are teams that could say they are rebuilding.

Rebuilding would imply they are building toward something.

The Chiefs don't have a longterm play at QB, or MLB, which are the 2 most crucial positions to have players at during a rebuild.

They don't have a DE worth shit, 2nd WR or right side of an offensive line.

What we have been sold is a bad bill of goods.

Herman Edwards has won TWO games in a years time and he still parades around like his job is locked up regardless of performance.

Seriously, **** this whole team.

**morphius** · 10-05-2008, 08:39 PM

It is pretty simple, you need one of two things to win consistently, superior talent or superior coaching. With so many rookies and QB issues we obviously don't fall into the superior talent, and we don't have a coaching staff strong enough to make up for any of the deficiencies. I truly believe the coaching staff thinks that we will go into the game and run our offense, without putting any effort into seeing where the real weaknesses in their D are and how best to take advantage of them.

You never hear Herm talk about how they had saw some things earlier in the week that they thought they could take advantage of, not that it means that they are not and just not talking about it, but I don't think any of us see it.

I'll never forget that we brought in the guy that DV's guy out coached in every single phase of the game.

**banyon** · 10-05-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

He knew the situation that would be created with our D line when we traded Allen. So from the draft on we didn't make any effort to sign a DE worth a shit. Instead we got suckered into another one of his bullshit schemes where we move the LE to the RE and the DT to DE and pretend it will all work.

I don't usually agree with many of your takes, but this is spot on. I suspect it is also one of the reasons that Dorsey hasn't looked as effective as he might've.

**DaKCMan AP** · 10-05-2008, 08:46 PM

We all know that what happened today and against Atlanta and against Oakland is going to happen a lot this season. That's why I find it humorous when people get all angry about it. It's not like it's unexpected.

10-05-2008, 08:18 PM	Topic Starter
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-895873	This has gone beyond "rebuilding" After Sunday's drubbing at the hands of the Panthers, the Chiefs are faced with some cold hard realities. They are going backwards. They have gone so far backwards that they have taken this team to the lowest in it's history. It is more than obvious Herm has no ****ing clue of how to coach a football team and win. I seriously think that our practices are giant excuse making parties. Not 1 part of this team has improved from the time Herm has arrived. Not 1. The defense showed promise last year only to take 3 steps back this year. And Carl is not without blame in all of this. He knew the situation that would be created with our D line when we traded Allen. So from the draft on we didn't make any effort to sign a DE worth a shit. Instead we got suckered into another one of his bullshit schemes where we move the LE to the RE and the DT to DE and pretend it will all work. MLB was not addressed and our O line was improved by 1 player only. Instead this team wasted time with the likes of BJ Samms ala Eddie Drummond, Devard Darling ala Gardner and still have yet to sign a kicker worth a shit since Stoyo. It will suck when the blackouts hit. I can't remember a blackout since the Deberg days.
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10-05-2008, 08:21 PM	#2
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $314454	Here is an ugly thought: Would any other NFL team retain a HC whos working on his third 4 win or less season in the past 4 seasons? (remember Herm went 4-12 with the Jets in 2005) Only the Chiefs....... __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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10-05-2008, 08:39 PM	#9
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1180000	Up until last week, everyone was expecting 0-16. After the game last week, I actually read where people thought we could go anywhere for 5-11 to 8-8. Now, we're back to never winning again (this season anyway). I haven't been a Chiefs fan for very long, but I knew better than to expect great things from one good game. We're too inconsistent and our coaching sucks.
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10-06-2008, 08:28 AM	#11
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	If you got "suckered", you have only yourself to blame. I don't know why anyone is surprised about this. We went into the season with an injury prone QB, who, (surprise!), got injured week 1. We had only an older, weaker, and less talented Elvis Grbac backing him up. We had a young, inexperienced defensive line, and rookies in the seconday, and no true MLB. You shoulda done the math.
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10-05-2008, 08:32 PM	#12
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	The Falcons, Dolphins and Bills are teams that could say they are rebuilding. Rebuilding would imply they are building toward something. The Chiefs don't have a longterm play at QB, or MLB, which are the 2 most crucial positions to have players at during a rebuild. They don't have a DE worth shit, 2nd WR or right side of an offensive line. What we have been sold is a bad bill of goods. Herman Edwards has won TWO games in a years time and he still parades around like his job is locked up regardless of performance. Seriously, **** this whole team. __________________
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10-05-2008, 08:39 PM	#13
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5835027	It is pretty simple, you need one of two things to win consistently, superior talent or superior coaching. With so many rookies and QB issues we obviously don't fall into the superior talent, and we don't have a coaching staff strong enough to make up for any of the deficiencies. I truly believe the coaching staff thinks that we will go into the game and run our offense, without putting any effort into seeing where the real weaknesses in their D are and how best to take advantage of them. You never hear Herm talk about how they had saw some things earlier in the week that they thought they could take advantage of, not that it means that they are not and just not talking about it, but I don't think any of us see it. I'll never forget that we brought in the guy that DV's guy out coached in every single phase of the game.
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10-05-2008, 08:46 PM	#15
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $5654952	We all know that what happened today and against Atlanta and against Oakland is going to happen a lot this season. That's why I find it humorous when people get all angry about it. It's not like it's unexpected. __________________
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