Chiefs The Chiefs Defense: An Absolutely Terrifying Set of Statistics

Arrowhead Pride · 11-18-2008, 08:10 AM

I'm not one to self promote on here but one of our readers did an excellent post on the Chiefs defensive draft picks over the last 7 years. Thought you all might be interested.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/1...-an-absolutely

**BigRedChief** · 11-18-2008, 08:16 AM

From a poster on the Arrowhead pride website:

Here are the results, and they are DISGUSTING. Even from the beginning of the Vermeil and Herm eras, the Defense has not been ignored:

Of the Picks Not Traded Since the 2001 Draft

1st Round: 4 of 6 have been on Defense (67%)

2nd Round: 6 of 6 have been on Defense (100%...100 freaking percent!)

3rd Round: 5 of 9 have been on Defense (56%)

71% of of every 1st through 3rd round draft pick in the last 8 years has been on Defense.

By Position:

DT = 6 (7 if you count McBride)

DE = 2 counting McBride as a DE

LB = 3

S = 2

CB = 2

By Year (with names):

2001 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - No Second pick. 3rd - Defense, Eric Downing DT. 3rd - Offense.

2002 = 1st - Defense, Ryan Sims DT. 2nd - Defense, Eddie Freeman DT. 3rd - No Third pick.

2003 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Kawika Mitchell LB. 3rd - Defense, Julian Battle CB.

2004 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - Defense, Junior Siavii DT. 2nd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, Keyaron Fox LB.

2005 = 1st - Defense, Derrick Johnson LB. 2nd - No 2nd pick. 3rd - Special Teams.

2006 = 1st - Defense, Tamba Hali DE. 2nd - Defense, Bernard Pollard S. 3rd - Offense.

2007 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Turk McBride DT/DE. 3rd - Defense, Tank Tyler DT.

2008 = 1st - Defense, Glenn Dorsey DT. 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Brandon Flowers CB. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, DaJuan Morgan S.

I really feel sick looking at all of this over the last 8 years, and we still have the 32nd ranked Defense. Blame Vermeil...blame Herm, but there has only been 1 person in charge over that entire 8 year period.

[U] Those are 15 first day Defensive players. Even if we whiffed on 4 of them, that is still an ENTIRE starting defensive team in their prime. Add to that FA's in that period like Ty Law, Pat Surtain, Napolean Harris, Donnie Edwards, Demorrio Williams, Alphonso Boone...and keep in mind Jared Allen, Jarrad Page, and Brandon Carr were second day picks and don't factor into this scenario.

Our Defense is, and has been, so horrendously broken it almost defies blame...but it doesn't. It is inexcusable.

**BigRedChief** · 11-18-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

From a poster on the Arrowhead pride website:

Here are the results, and they are DISGUSTING. Even from the beginning of the Vermeil and Herm eras, the Defense has not been ignored:

Of the Picks Not Traded Since the 2001 Draft

1st Round: 4 of 6 have been on Defense (67%)

2nd Round: 6 of 6 have been on Defense (100%...100 freaking percent!)

3rd Round: 5 of 9 have been on Defense (56%)

71% of of every 1st through 3rd round draft pick in the last 8 years has been on Defense.

By Position:

DT = 6 (7 if you count McBride)

DE = 2 counting McBride as a DE

LB = 3

S = 2

CB = 2

By Year (with names):

2001 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - No Second pick. 3rd - Defense, Eric Downing DT. 3rd - Offense.

2002 = 1st - Defense, Ryan Sims DT. 2nd - Defense, Eddie Freeman DT. 3rd - No Third pick.

2003 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Kawika Mitchell LB. 3rd - Defense, Julian Battle CB.

2004 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - Defense, Junior Siavii DT. 2nd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, Keyaron Fox LB.

2005 = 1st - Defense, Derrick Johnson LB. 2nd - No 2nd pick. 3rd - Special Teams.

2006 = 1st - Defense, Tamba Hali DE. 2nd - Defense, Bernard Pollard S. 3rd - Offense.

2007 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Turk McBride DT/DE. 3rd - Defense, Tank Tyler DT.

2008 = 1st - Defense, Glenn Dorsey DT. 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Brandon Flowers CB. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, DaJuan Morgan S.

I really feel sick looking at all of this over the last 8 years, and we still have the 32nd ranked Defense. Blame Vermeil...blame Herm, but there has only been 1 person in charge over that entire 8 year period.

[u] Those are 15 first day Defensive players. Even if we whiffed on 4 of them, that is still an ENTIRE starting defensive team in their prime. Add to that FA's in that period like Ty Law, Pat Surtain, Napolean Harris, Donnie Edwards, Demorrio Williams, Alphonso Boone...and keep in mind Jared Allen, Jarrad Page, and Brandon Carr were second day picks and don't factor into this scenario.

Our Defense is, and has been, so horrendously broken it almost defies blame...but it doesn't. It is inexcusable.

That is sad.Sad.Sad.

**HemiEd** · 11-18-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

That is sad.Sad.Sad.

Glad someone went to the trouble of putting it on paper.
I was saying to the defensive homers for the last several years. I still blame Gunther, a capable coach should have gotten a decent team out of that bunch.

**ChiefGator** · 11-18-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

2001 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - No Second pick. 3rd - Defense, Eric Downing DT. 3rd - Offense.

2002 = 1st - Defense, Ryan Sims DT. 2nd - Defense, Eddie Freeman DT. 3rd - No Third pick.

2003 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Kawika Mitchell LB. 3rd - Defense, Julian Battle CB.

2004 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - Defense, Junior Siavii DT. 2nd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, Keyaron Fox LB.

Those are the really bad years. Terrible, terrible, terrible.

yeti · 11-18-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Those are the really bad years. Terrible, terrible, terrible.

but after that things start to look at least a little better. so maybe those years of draft suckage might have set us only back 2 years in the 5 year plan right?

talastan · 11-18-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by yeti

but after that things start to look at least a little better. so maybe those years of draft suckage might have set us only back 2 years in the 5 year plan right?

Yes the sad thing is that out of the 20 years of the "5 year plan" that is 8 years real time.

There are a couple of things that are constant in these stats. The fact that Gun and Carl are both there. I love Gun and his fire but the truth is I'm wondering if he still is up to the task of coaching his players. You can yell, spit,

, and motivate them all you want but with this young team these coaches have to be actually TEACHING them something.

Chief Faithful · 11-18-2008, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan

Yes the sad thing is that out of the 20 years of the "5 year plan" that is 8 years real time.

There are a couple of things that are constant in these stats. The fact that Gun and Carl are both there. I love Gun and his fire but the truth is I'm wondering if he still is up to the task of coaching his players. You can yell, spit,

, and motivate them all you want but with this young team these coaches have to be actually TEACHING them something.

Why do so many conclude that the coaches are failing to teach because of the record? These rookies are getting better even fans on CP, the ones who think they know more than they actually do, can see it through the television, which tells me the coaches are doing their job.

I think we have a lot of fans who were not prepared for what rebuilding really meant.

yeti · 11-18-2008, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan

Yes the sad thing is that out of the 20 years of the "5 year plan" that is 8 years real time.

There are a couple of things that are constant in these stats. The fact that Gun and Carl are both there. I love Gun and his fire but the truth is I'm wondering if he still is up to the task of coaching his players. You can yell, spit,

, and motivate them all you want but with this young team these coaches have to be actually TEACHING them something.

it is frustrating. i mean gun is a hard ass SOB drill sergeant and herm is one of the most "best coaches to play for" bottom line is neither of them have fixed the D. wtf is the point of having herm as the coach if you have a shitty D.

**Buehler445** · 11-18-2008, 08:29 AM

Hey, what a way to start the morning!
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Deberg_1990 · 11-18-2008, 08:30 AM

Yep. Sad

and to think there are some people that want Peterson to stay???

Fish · 11-18-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yep. Sad

and to think there are some people that want Peterson to stay???

Who the hell is still supporting Peterson? Seriously?

BigChiefFan · 11-18-2008, 08:32 AM

More like Pathetic. What is sad is ownership keeps these clowns around.

**notorious** · 11-18-2008, 08:39 AM

Anger growing stronger...........

But fizzles because the Chiefs have taken all the fire out of me.

Now it's just apathy and sorrow.

That is just plain, f****** pathetic.

Basileus777 · 11-18-2008, 08:45 AM

It's a combination of bad drafting/scouting and bad coaches who can't develop talent.

It's ****ing pathetic.

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Arrowhead Pride Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	The Chiefs Defense: An Absolutely Terrifying Set of Statistics I'm not one to self promote on here but one of our readers did an excellent post on the Chiefs defensive draft picks over the last 7 years. Thought you all might be interested. http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/1...-an-absolutely
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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-731038 VARSITY	From a poster on the Arrowhead pride website: Here are the results, and they are DISGUSTING. Even from the beginning of the Vermeil and Herm eras, the Defense has not been ignored: Of the Picks Not Traded Since the 2001 Draft 1st Round: 4 of 6 have been on Defense (67%) 2nd Round: 6 of 6 have been on Defense (100%...100 freaking percent!) 3rd Round: 5 of 9 have been on Defense (56%) 71% of of every 1st through 3rd round draft pick in the last 8 years has been on Defense. By Position: DT = 6 (7 if you count McBride) DE = 2 counting McBride as a DE LB = 3 S = 2 CB = 2 By Year (with names): 2001 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - No Second pick. 3rd - Defense, Eric Downing DT. 3rd - Offense. 2002 = 1st - Defense, Ryan Sims DT. 2nd - Defense, Eddie Freeman DT. 3rd - No Third pick. 2003 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Kawika Mitchell LB. 3rd - Defense, Julian Battle CB. 2004 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - Defense, Junior Siavii DT. 2nd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, Keyaron Fox LB. 2005 = 1st - Defense, Derrick Johnson LB. 2nd - No 2nd pick. 3rd - Special Teams. 2006 = 1st - Defense, Tamba Hali DE. 2nd - Defense, Bernard Pollard S. 3rd - Offense. 2007 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Turk McBride DT/DE. 3rd - Defense, Tank Tyler DT. 2008 = 1st - Defense, Glenn Dorsey DT. 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Brandon Flowers CB. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, DaJuan Morgan S. I really feel sick looking at all of this over the last 8 years, and we still have the 32nd ranked Defense. Blame Vermeil...blame Herm, but there has only been 1 person in charge over that entire 8 year period. [U] Those are 15 first day Defensive players. Even if we whiffed on 4 of them, that is still an ENTIRE starting defensive team in their prime. Add to that FA's in that period like Ty Law, Pat Surtain, Napolean Harris, Donnie Edwards, Demorrio Williams, Alphonso Boone...and keep in mind Jared Allen, Jarrad Page, and Brandon Carr were second day picks and don't factor into this scenario. Our Defense is, and has been, so horrendously broken it almost defies blame...but it doesn't. It is inexcusable. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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