Chiefs Pioli will want to win NOW

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:15 PM

He's going to have to use FA to do it. Philosophies anyone?

Mine: Bart Scott MLB free agent Ravens
Channing Crowder? Got to have a stud in the middle, our second biggest need.

Draft: move down round one, get xtra pick (only move as far as 8) and still get quality DE pass rusher.

Second round: DE or quality OL- whichever is best at his position.

We can no longer simply pick the best athlete left on the board, we must draft for need.

This obviously means I trust Thigpen vs a veteran QB competition.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-13-2009, 08:17 PM

I'd rather get Akin Ayodele than Channing Crowder.

Bart Scott is solid, but he'll get overpaid and he's overhyped playing with Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed, Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle, etc.

Direckshun · 01-13-2009, 08:17 PM

Pioli, for all his trades and FA wizardry, understands that you win through the Draft.

I expect Pioli to continue Herm's trend of stockpiling draft picks.

Basileus777 · 01-13-2009, 08:18 PM

I honestly don't think Pioli will go out and sign free agents to win now. From what I've read, one of the issues with him in Cleveland is that Pioli wanted to blow up the team and Lerner wanted to win now.

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:19 PM

Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul...

We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul...

We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.

Eh I didn't say rebuild through FA guys. There are important spots to be filled and they can't all be through the draft.

philfree · 01-13-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul...

We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.

No matter what defense we run we'll need to upgrade at DE. As far as the long haul is concerned the Patriots have done pretty well in the long haul and they brought in plenty of FAs. We have plenty of young talent and if things go good we'll add some more in the 2009 draft but we are so young that we need a FA or two shore up a position or two and to also add experience. This team should start trying to put it all together in 2009 and win all the games they can. It goes both ways though. Some teams seem to always be building for the long haul but they never start winning and other teams put all they can into every season trying to build/buy a winner but they only end up middle of the road and underachieve. It takes a balance but you can never go into a season thinking it's o.k. to lose because you're rebuilding. I guess for the long haul a team must make good decisions regarding players in the draft and free agency yearly.

PhilFree

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

No matter what defense we run we'll need to upgrade at DE. As far as the long haul is concerned the Patriots have done pretty well in the long haul and they brought in plenty of FAs. We have plenty of young talent and if things go good we'll add some more in the 2009 draft but we are so young that we need a FA or two shore up a position or two and to also add experience. This team should start trying to put it all together in 2009 and win all the games they can. It goes both ways though. Some teams seem to always be building for the long haul but they never start winning and other teams put all they can into every season trying to build/buy a winner but they only end up middle of the road and underachieve. It takes a balance but you can never go into a season thinking it's o.k. to lose because you're rebuilding. I guess for the long haul a team must make good decisions regarding players in the draft and free agency yearly.

PhilFree

Thank you, this was my only point. You must be a true fan, stated better than I.

SPATCH · 01-13-2009, 08:20 PM

if bradford and sanchez both don't declare and stafford doesn't fall to us then, sure, trade down... but if we have a chance to draft stafford or sanchez, we better ****ing take it

beavis · 01-13-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

We can no longer simply pick the best athlete left on the board, we must draft for need.

I think that's kind of crazy. We've got too many holes to fill to be drafting for need.

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by beavis

I think that's kind of crazy. We've got too many holes to fill to be drafting for need.

Spots? Specifically we need MLB, DE, OL more than a athletic TE ?
We have an offense in place and a pretty good young secondary on defense--what else to fill (kickers not included)

RB's are a dime a dozen and we now have some receivers, Thigpen is better at his position than most of the front seven on defense is. I just think we are not as far away as most people think, damn optimist me,

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-13-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Spots? Specifically we need MLB, DE, OL more than a athletic TE ?
We have an offense in place and a pretty good young secondary on defense--what else to fill (kickers not included)

RB's are a dime a dozen and we now have some receivers, Thigpen is better at his position than most of the front seven on defense is. I just think we are not as far away as most people think, damn optimist me,

We have the worst front 7 in football, need a new right side of the OL, a QB and an improved WR corps.

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

We have the worst front 7 in football, need a new right side of the OL, a QB and an improved WR corps.

I agree, but prioritizing them I would put OL and QB behind the defensive front seven as far as what would help us compete most NEXT year, if anybody thinks Pioli won't want to succeed right away you are crazy- not you DakCMan, simply stating he won't go for rebuilding squat and allowing a four or five win season and saying that's improvement, to get what he wants he MUST use FA for specific need spots and the draft (it can't just be one or the other if you want to succeed as quick as what Pioli will want)

**RealSNR** · 01-13-2009, 08:30 PM

We need Pioli now more than ever. We were lucky to land him this offseason.

This draft is full of solid players, but no one guy sticks out from the rest. And they can't ALL be superstars. I'm incredibly excited to have a guy like Pioli doing the picking instead of Carl and company

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:25 PM

Also the Chiefs are bad enough to take the best player......drafting for need is generally a pretty stupid thing to do.

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DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $5604952	I'd rather get Akin Ayodele than Channing Crowder. Bart Scott is solid, but he'll get overpaid and he's overhyped playing with Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed, Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle, etc. __________________
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Pioli, for all his trades and FA wizardry, understands that you win through the Draft. I expect Pioli to continue Herm's trend of stockpiling draft picks.
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Basileus777 MVP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Casino cash: $2245958	I honestly don't think Pioli will go out and sign free agents to win now. From what I've read, one of the issues with him in Cleveland is that Pioli wanted to blow up the team and Lerner wanted to win now.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul... We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.
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SPATCH birth of spatch Join Date: May 2008 Casino cash: $10006207	if bradford and sanchez both don't declare and stafford doesn't fall to us then, sure, trade down... but if we have a chance to draft stafford or sanchez, we better ****ing take it
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1474792	We need Pioli now more than ever. We were lucky to land him this offseason. This draft is full of solid players, but no one guy sticks out from the rest. And they can't ALL be superstars. I'm incredibly excited to have a guy like Pioli doing the picking instead of Carl and company
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01-13-2009, 08:25 PM	#15
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	Also the Chiefs are bad enough to take the best player......drafting for need is generally a pretty stupid thing to do.
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