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Old 05-11-2009, 11:03 AM   Topic Starter
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Crisp vs. DeJesus at leadoff spot
Ok, I don't get this argument at all. I have heard a few on here and others such as Petro say we need to flip flop them. Why? I am not sure what it matters. Aside from the fact that it really only matters for 1 inning, (the first), DDJ cannot hold Crisp's jock right now as a leadoff hitter.

Most of you on here who follow the Royals know I am typically a big DDJ fan. But the fact is I cannot see how this helps the team at all? DDJ can't steal, can't work the pitcher and so far this season, cannot even hit. (see his latest 0-12 and stranding 11 runners, performance).

In fact I would have to argue that in the 2nd spot he should see better pitches, particularly if Crisp gets on base. I don't get this argument at all. And if something this trivial is what is causing DDJ to play like shit then he is not near as good as I thought.

Let's hear some toughts....
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:07 AM   #2
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Awesome. Lets start off with a strike out every game. Coco is playing well there. They should leave it alone.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:24 AM   #3
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Awesome. Lets start off with a strike out every game.
actually, that's not a bad idea. that would prevent him from hitting into a double play after crisp walks.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:08 AM   #4
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Hmmm...I apparently haven't been paying enough attention, because I haven't even heard anybody suggest this.

I agree with you, swapping them in the order makes no sense at all, IMO.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:09 AM   #5
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:17 AM   #6
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:10 AM   #7
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When switched the numbers are better lifetime for DDJ and COCO, over the year I think you get 36 more atbats when moved up a spot. I would leave it alone unless we go into a real tailspin and need to shake something up.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:24 AM   #8
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When switched the numbers are better lifetime for DDJ and COCO, over the year I think you get 36 more atbats when moved up a spot. I would leave it alone unless we go into a real tailspin and need to shake something up.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:29 AM   #9
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The numbers are better I understand that, but I just have a good feeling that coco may get another at bat per game that means more seen pitches. I just like Coco setting the tone of the game right from the start, stats be damned, Coco also gives you more flexability what he can do since he is a Switch hitter that can bunt. I like coco in the lead off, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if they flip flopped.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:32 AM   #10
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The numbers are better I understand that, but I just have a good feeling that coco may get another at bat per game that means more seen pitches. I just like Coco setting the tone of the game right from the start, stats be damned, Coco also gives you more flexability what he can do since he is a Switch hitter that can bunt. I like coco in the lead off, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if they flip flopped.
Yeah, I just quoted your post because you summed up the counter-argument well.

Crisp is going to be fine, regardless, and DDJ's career stats suggest he'll snap out of it. Of course, he's always been in the leadoff spot...

I know that some will argue that where one hits in the order shouldn't matter, and theoretically I agree with this. In practice, however, this really isn't the case b/c of the mental aspect of the game. Also, you do see different pitches based on where you're hitting, so there is some tangible difference, too.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:48 AM   #11
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over the year I think you get 36 more atbats when moved up a spot.
It is closer to 18 and probably slightly lower at the top of the order. There is one last batter out of 9 potential slots in each game. There are 162 games, so 162/9 = 18.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:11 AM   #12
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Not even a question. Coco is what 5th in the league in walks right now? .369 OBP compared to DDJ's .278?

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Crisp leads off. DDJ hits 8th or 9th in my world.
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