Chiefs Devil's advocate-Chiefs shouldn't have signed Cassel & should've waited & signed Vick

kcbubb · 07-28-2009, 10:44 AM

The Chiefs offense in the last 7 games of the year improved greatly and was performing in the top half the league using Gailey's modified spread offense. This offense used a running QB who threw primarily short, quick passes and the QB lead the league in rushing for his position.

This offense would have been perfect for Michael Vick, who led the league in QB rushing several times. Vick has never been a great passer or decision maker, but Gailey's offense which relied on easy decision making, mostly short passes and the QB running the ball would have fit Vick perfectly. And this offense is more suited to the Chiefs current offensive line which has and will struggle. The Chiefs could have allowed Thigpen and Vick to compete but obviously Thigpen would have the job for at least the first 6 games.

This would have also allowed the Chiefs to use their draft differently to fill many gaping holes and obvious lack of depth with the offensive line, linebacker, a pass rusher, TE and wide receiver.

The Chiefs could have stuck with the 4-3 and tried to overhaul their defense with Curry, Everette Brown or Ray Malaugua (Brown & Malaugua were both available in the 2nd round), or Michael Johnson (available in the 3rd round).

Or they could have mixed that in with trying to revamp their offensive line with the many players that were available or with a TE like Jared Cook who was available in the 3rd round who would have complimented our big TE, Cottam.

Instead we are stuck with watching a young QB play behind a weak offensive line and throw to receivers that drop many passes or can't stay healthy with out the best pass catching option from last year. And the only significant improvement to one of the worst defenses in the league was to the defensive line and a couple of old linebackers.

**Lzen** · 07-28-2009, 10:46 AM

Shut up, you!

88TG88 · 07-28-2009, 10:47 AM

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Vick has never been a great passer or decision maker,

Then why sign him ?

kcbubb · 07-28-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 88TG88

Then why sign him ?

Vick would have excelled in Gailey's offense. He's probably a better passer and runner than Thigpen. And Thiggy did pretty good in the offense.

sedated · 07-28-2009, 10:49 AM

nice attempt, though.

**The Franchise** · 07-28-2009, 10:49 AM

Umm.....what?

Dumbest.

Thread.

Evar!!

**Bwana** · 07-28-2009, 10:49 AM

What the......

Bad Noob!

**Reaper16** · 07-28-2009, 10:50 AM

Man, the child-safety locks on playpins aren't shit these days.

FAX · 07-28-2009, 10:50 AM

Well ... there's a thought.

Vick could have made yardage with the Sloption, that's true. But, how were we to know that Vick would be available? I mean, before the draft and/or at the time we made the deal for Cassel?

FAX

kcbubb · 07-28-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Well ... there's a thought.

Vick could have made yardage with the Sloption, that's true. But, how were we to know that Vick would be available? I mean, before the draft and/or at the time we made the deal for Cassel?

FAX

you couldn't have known for sure, but I thought he was going to be around this year. And he will be cheap.

just look at last year from the Jets game to the end of the season. There are 10 games there. And if the Chiefs defense and QB play were a little better, they could probably have one at least five or six of those games.

If Vick could play a little better than Thigpen and the defense could have improved, we would be much better than we are right now.

Fish · 07-28-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

you couldn't have known for sure, but I thought he was going to be around this year. And he will be cheap.

just look at last year from the Jets game to the end of the season. There are 10 games there. And if the Chiefs defense and QB play were a little better, they could probably have one at least five or six of those games.

If Vick could play a little better than Thigpen and the defense could have improved, we would be much better than we are right now.

A few wins better? What good would that have done? Most of us want more than a few wins better.

Vick is not the answer. Not no way, not no how....

kcbubb · 07-28-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

A few wins better? What good would that have done? Most of us want more than a few wins better.

Vick is not the answer. Not no way, not no how....

The offense would have been good enough to get the team to the playoffs with an improved defense. If Vick could have played better than Thigpen, which I expect that he could have.

If the Chiefs would have drafted Curry, Maluagua, and Michael Johnson and stuck with the 4-3, there defense would have drastically improved.

Check the stats on the 07 Chiefs defense. If you put the 07 Chiefs defense with the offense that ended 2008, that team would be a good beginning, a possible playoff team to build around.

Fish · 07-28-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

The offense would have been good enough to get the team to the playoffs with an improved defense. If Vick could have played better than Thigpen, which I expect that he could have.

If the Chiefs would have drafted Curry, Maluagua, and Michael Johnson and stuck with the 4-3, there defense would have drastically improved.

Check the stats on the 07 Chiefs defense. If you put the 07 Chiefs defense with the offense that ended 2008, that team would be a good beginning, a possible playoff team to build around.

Vick would have been marginally better than Thigpen at best. Not enough to make the difference between 2-14 and playoff contender.

All this hindsight "if we would have" stuff is silly.... you could do so with any team in the league and turn them into superbowl contenders...

Duck Dog · 07-28-2009, 11:43 AM

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Vick has never been a great passer or decision maker

I'm pretty sure that's a requirement for the job. Why would we even consider it without knowing Vicks availability at the time?

**Lzen** · 07-28-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

The offense would have been good enough to get the team to the playoffs with an improved defense. If Vick could have played better than Thigpen, which I expect that he could have.

If the Chiefs would have drafted Curry, Maluagua, and Michael Johnson and stuck with the 4-3, there defense would have drastically improved.

Check the stats on the 07 Chiefs defense. If you put the 07 Chiefs defense with the offense that ended 2008, that team would be a good beginning, a possible playoff team to build around.

Dude, you are dumb. Vick sucks as a passer. In his last 2 years in the league, he was something like 53% completions.

And above all else, I am glad we didn't pick up a scumbag like him.

07-28-2009, 10:44 AM	Topic Starter
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5156719	Devil's advocate-Chiefs shouldn't have signed Cassel & should've waited & signed Vick The Chiefs offense in the last 7 games of the year improved greatly and was performing in the top half the league using Gailey's modified spread offense. This offense used a running QB who threw primarily short, quick passes and the QB lead the league in rushing for his position. This offense would have been perfect for Michael Vick, who led the league in QB rushing several times. Vick has never been a great passer or decision maker, but Gailey's offense which relied on easy decision making, mostly short passes and the QB running the ball would have fit Vick perfectly. And this offense is more suited to the Chiefs current offensive line which has and will struggle. The Chiefs could have allowed Thigpen and Vick to compete but obviously Thigpen would have the job for at least the first 6 games. This would have also allowed the Chiefs to use their draft differently to fill many gaping holes and obvious lack of depth with the offensive line, linebacker, a pass rusher, TE and wide receiver. The Chiefs could have stuck with the 4-3 and tried to overhaul their defense with Curry, Everette Brown or Ray Malaugua (Brown & Malaugua were both available in the 2nd round), or Michael Johnson (available in the 3rd round). Or they could have mixed that in with trying to revamp their offensive line with the many players that were available or with a TE like Jared Cook who was available in the 3rd round who would have complimented our big TE, Cottam. Instead we are stuck with watching a young QB play behind a weak offensive line and throw to receivers that drop many passes or can't stay healthy with out the best pass catching option from last year. And the only significant improvement to one of the worst defenses in the league was to the defensive line and a couple of old linebackers.
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