Get of Mark Castle's back!

[pr_capone]

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

I for one would like to see him throw to the first down marker on 3rd down. Not sure if this is all on him or on the coaching but it just pisses me off to see a QB throw 10 yards short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down. Of course you're not going to throw many INT's when you are throwing check down passes well short of the marker.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

I for one would like to see him throw to the first down marker on 3rd down. Not sure if this is all on him or on the coaching but it just pisses me off to see a QB throw 10 yards short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down. Of course you're not going to throw many INT's when you are throwing check down passes well short of the marker.

I know you have got to understand football better than this. It's not like every single WR is running short of the marker! It is typically the case that we are in 3rd and long, correct? So this tells teams that we are either going to (A)run the draw up the middle, or (B) throw for the first.

The draw up the middle scares no one with our OL, so teams go with option (B) and "pin their ears back" so to speak. Basically, we get in too many 3rd and longs for whatever the reasons, and once we are in that situation we are one dimensional with a very subpar OL (understatement).

It does not take a lot of imagination to see that once the blitz is on our OL crumbles (even without a blitz) and Cassel has little time to drop back, go through his reads, then throw the ball. This short amount of time is either going to cause him to throw an inaccurate pass or throw early to unanprepared/covered WR, or god forbid, force him to throw to the check down or the under route as his other WR's have yet to create any separation or make their cuts.

It is pretty easy to see with our group of WR's why if Cassel has little time to throw, they are not open yet. None of them are speed demons (maybe Chambers now) so it is pretty unlikely to see Bowe streaking down the sideline with a step or 2 on his man just one second after the snap. Now consider that teams can press the WR's at the line and this really starts to slow things down.

If teams don't blitz they can easily cover all our WR's in man or zone, and allow the 4 DLman to get enough pressure to get a sack or force a tough throw since our garbage OL can only block for about 2 seconds it seems.

[KcFanInGA]

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

God, just kill yourself.

[CH13FS]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

God, just kill yourself.

*slowclap

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

God, just kill yourself.

I knew this had to be coming!

I cant believe anyone would watch a single game and say some dumb shit like "I dont know what more you guys could want"

Its like Herm made some of the fans dumb too.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I knew this had to be coming!

I cant believe anyone would watch a single game and say some dumb shit like "I dont know what more you guys could want"

Its like Herm made some of the fans dumb too.

When people desperately want the team to be going in the right direction it can be hard to look at a player for what he is.

If Cassel isn't good that just sets us back even further so it's easier to just say he's doing fine.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

The guy doesnt have time to check every ****ing receiver because he has exactly no time from the second the ball is snapped to the point where he has to get rid of it.

What the **** do you want him to do? Float on a god damn cloud until one of the DBs trips and falls finally allowing someone to get open?

Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Yup... coming into this week 4 of those teams were at 4-3 or worse. ****ing powerhouses there.... no doubt.

Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

This is his second year starting. Him being 27 does not translate to on the field experience nor does it translate to him leading the football equivalent of the bad news bears.

If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

Of course his YPA is awful! His coach is calling ****ing dump offs on 3rd and 19 and he doesnt have time to let his receivers get open. You know that stuff that Charlie and his grandfather drank in Willy Wonka that made them float is fake, right?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

The guy doesnt have time to check every ****ing receiver because he has exactly no time from the second the ball is snapped to the point where he has to get rid of it.

The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

What the **** do you want him to do? Float on a god damn cloud until one of the DBs trips and falls finally allowing someone to get open?[/qoute]

What I want him to do is to actually stand in the pocket when he does have time and actually go through his progressions.



Yup... coming into this week 4 of those teams were at 4-3 or worse. ****ing powerhouses there.... no doubt.



This is his second year starting. Him being 27 does not translate to on the field experience nor does it translate to him leading the football equivalent of the bad news bears.

He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.

Of course his YPA is awful! His coach is calling ****ing dump offs on 3rd and 19 and he doesnt have time to let his receivers get open. You know that stuff that Charlie and his grandfather drank in Willy Wonka that made them float is fake, right?

His coach isn't calling all those dumpoffs.
He's making those decisions.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

No pocket presence???

The guy has avoided more sacks than Manning will be hurried all year. If not for his pocket presence and mobility... he would be setting records for being sacked the most in a single season.

As it stands, he is on pace to be sacked 10 fewer times than the current record.

He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.

Compare the weapons each has. Also, there was a point last night were they showed Rogers getting 5.4 ****ing seconds to find his receiver and throw. Matt is generally under pressure from the moment the ball is snapped.

Also, he has had 3 years of bench time where he threw all of 39 passes.

His coach isn't calling all those dumpoffs.
He's making those decisions.

I could be wrong but those dumpoffs on 3rd and 19 look like designed plays and I'm not the only one to say that.

Even if it is his decision, the majority of the time he is throwing them out of necessity because he has defenders crawling up his ass.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

No pocket presence???

The guy has avoided more sacks than Manning will be hurried all year. If not for his pocket presence and mobility... he would be setting records for being sacked the most in a single season.

As it stands, he is on pace to be sacked 10 fewer times than the current record.




Compare the weapons each has. Also, there was a point last night were they showed Rogers getting 5.4 ****ing seconds to find his receiver and throw. Matt is generally under pressure from the moment the ball is snapped.

Also, he has had 3 years of bench time where he threw all of 39 passes.



I could be wrong but those dumpoffs on 3rd and 19 look like designed plays and I'm not the only one to say that.

Even if it is his decision, the majority of the time he is throwing them out of necessity because he has defenders crawling up his ass.

Comparing Cassel to PM right now is not good for you.

PMs line is not as good as you make it seem to be, his release and elite level of preparation let him expose teams when they blitz..making teams shy away from doing so. That takes the pressure off the oline.

Cassel would be helping in this area if he was better prepared and had better chemistry with his receivers. Hopefully, that comes in time.

When Cassel gets blitzed, he stops looking at his receivers and looks at the rush. You will notice that if you watch for it for now on.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

It's not phantom pressure. The guards are generally getting pushed back into his face on every play, and on almost half of the plays, our linemen (usually Albert) are getting crossed up on stunts. Our interior line is probably the worst in the NFL. And guess what--if your interior linemen get pushed back, then your QB has no pocket to step into. How can you have pocket presence if you don't have a pocket?

He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.

Aaron Rodgers also has a RB who averages 4.2 YPC and two solid receivers in Greg Jennings and Donald Driver. He has much better players to throw to. But in terms of holding on to the ball too long, he's a lot worse than Cassel. The Chiefs have a worse o-line, and yet Rodgers is on pace to be sacked 74 times this season.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time

Flacco has 2, Ryan has 1, Rivers has 3.
This is not unique to Cassel. QB's benefit from "garbage time" situations all over the league.

and you always look to check down if the first option is covered

He has time to go through his reads with this God-awful line protecting him?

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

Chambers made a negligible adjustment to catch that ball.
To a ball thrown to the middle of the field (where any good deep ball should be placed in that situation).

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Micjones

Flacco has 2, Ryan has 1, Rivers has 3.
This is not unique to Cassel. QB's benefit from "garbage time" situations all over the league.



He has time to go through his reads with this God-awful line protecting him?



Chambers made a negligible adjustment to catch that ball.
To a ball thrown to the middle of the field (where any good deep ball should be placed in that situation).

That ball was a rainbow, and Chambers had to come to a virtual stop to make that catch.

Hell, you had time to go take a dump while waiting for it to come down.