Chiefs What do all the great Quarterbacks have in common?

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 07:43 PM

Just curious.

I've been thinking this to myself lately and could think of one thing that comes to mind, excellent field vision. If I am missing anything, please care to add.

I've watched the likes of Brady, Montana, and Marino who were very productive and still managed to get by without superstar receivers. How? It had to be good field vision that enabled them to progress through their reads and make plays.

Good field vision goes a long long way imo. Without, I don't think there is much a quarterback can do? Which kinda worries me a bit about Cassel. I've been watching this last preseason game against the Ravens and Im still seeing bad reads from him. Im still seeing how his eyes just lock onto one receiver without managing to keep it on the entire field. I don't mean to turn this into a Cassel debate or anything, but he had this very issue last year and has me wondering, is this the one particular attribute that will prevent him from being great?

I think good field vision is a skill but not one that can be taught. You either have that or you don't. Much like speed. Can't teach speed to an athlete either. I can understand now when some people say his ceiling is limited.

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O.city · 08-20-2011, 07:48 PM

Well in his defense, most of the throws he made last night were on short drops which don't usually have many reads. It's usually three steps and the ball is out if your option is slightly open.

On the QB thing, I think the biggest thing is comfortablity in the pocket. How many times have you seen Manning or Brady slide slightly one way or the other and avoid the hit to complete a pass. So yeah that plays into vision but also just being comfortable back there.

Some plays Cassel looks comfortable and some he gets rushed. I do feel that his comfortable plays are coming more often which is hopefully a good sign.

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Well in his defense, most of the throws he made last night were on short drops which don't usually have many reads. It's usually three steps and the ball is out if your option is slightly open.

On the QB thing, I think the biggest thing is comfortablity in the pocket. How many times have you seen Manning or Brady slide slightly one way or the other and avoid the hit to complete a pass. So yeah that plays into vision but also just being comfortable back there.

Some plays Cassel looks comfortable and some he gets rushed. I do feel that his comfortable plays are coming more often which is hopefully a good sign.

Yeah but Brady has tremendous poise and patience. when there is a rush, he may glance at it for a split second, but doesn't show much panic in the process. The thing that impresses me most about him is that he can still maintain his poise, pocket awareness and have his eyes set down the field at the same time.

Cassel on the other hand, when the rush is on, he panics and then looks at the rush rather than down the field.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Yeah but Brady has tremendous poise and patience. when there is a rush, he may glance at it for a split second, but doesn't show much panic in the process. The thing that impresses me most about him is that he can still maintain his poise, pocket awareness and have his eyes set down the field at the same time.

Cassel on the other hand, when the rush is on, he panics and then looks at the rush rather than down the field.

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RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:04 PM

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Are you and Tribal Warfare related?

hey Im just giving my 2 cents on what I see.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

hey Im just giving my 2 cents on what I see.

Yes, and you leave us wondering if you have good post vision.

O.city · 08-20-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Yeah but Brady has tremendous poise and patience. when there is a rush, he may glance at it for a split second, but doesn't show much panic in the process. The thing that impresses me most about him is that he can still maintain his poise, pocket awareness and have his eyes set down the field at the same time.

Cassel on the other hand, when the rush is on, he panics and then looks at the rush rather than down the field.

I just don't think Cassel has good pocket presence at all. Alot of times he has more time than he thinks he does.

PatsFanDan · 08-20-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Yeah but Brady has tremendous poise and patience. when there is a rush, he may glance at it for a split second, but doesn't show much panic in the process. The thing that impresses me most about him is that he can still maintain his poise, pocket awareness and have his eyes set down the field at the same time.

Cassel on the other hand, when the rush is on, he panics and then looks at the rush rather than down the field.

This was true of Cassel during that 11-5 season with the Pats. His biggest weakness was he didn't handle pressure defenses well.....the Pitt game being a good example that season.

I have always thought Josh Mcdaniels did a fantastic job coaching Cassel up that season. I don't think he's terrible by any means. But I do recall that preseason before Brady got hurt in week one....I wanted Cassel cut. He was awful in preseason. And I was shocked the Pats won 11 games with him at QB....all things considered.

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:15 PM

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This was true of Cassel during that 11-5 season with the Pats. His biggest weakness was he didn't handle pressure defenses well.....the Pitt game being a good example that season.

I have always thought Josh Mcdaniels did a fantastic job coaching Cassel up that season. I don't think he's terrible by any means. But I do recall that preseason before Brady got hurt in week one....I wanted Cassel cut. He was awful in preseason. And I was shocked the Pats won 11 games with him at QB....all things considered.

This is why I kinda hoped KC would address their tackle situation a little bit better. Gaither is not a bad pickup. Question is, will he play and get back to old form? We don't have the greatest set of tackles. to me, I think it would benefit Cassel if he had really good offensive tackles. just to buy him more time in the pocket and to give him that sense of security and comfort that he desperately needs.

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