Chiefs Starting to think the Chiefs will need to trade down... or...

Direckshun · 01-10-2012, 12:00 AM

Normally I do not advocate this stuff, because I am usually not a fan of trading down in the first round. But I've been looking over the talent in this upcoming draft and I think this might need to be the case.

First, let's take a look at the elite talent that has no chance of making it out of the first round:

QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
QB Robert Griffin, Baylor
WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
OT Matt Kalil, USC
CB Morris Claiborne, LSU

The remaining top tier talent doesn't really match up value with what we want, with one major exception.

RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
WR Alshon Jeffrey, South Carolina
OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford
OT Riley Reiff, Iowa
OG David DeCastro, Stanford
DT Devin Still, Penn State
DE Quentin Coples, North Carolina
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama

Scott Pioli is a legit believer in draft value, though he has broken with it before when he drafted Eric Berry. I don't think he breaks it two out of three years however, so players like Richardson, DeCastro, and Kuechly don't really seem to warrant a Top 12 pick.

It also seems to eliminate right tackle. It's been two years of Pioli passing over right tackle after right tackle, even with last year's great prospects like Carimi and Castonzo. So I think that takes Martin (who honestly isn't right tackle material to me) and Reiff out of the equation.

Meanwhile, we can eliminate the players that don't fit our defense (Still, Coples).

That leaves us with the corners. You can take Jenkins out of consideration since there is no way Pioli wants a guy with his character questions.

Kirkpatrick is a perfect fit for this team ONLY IF this team lets Brandon Carr walk. If Carr stays on the roster, we really have no need for Kirkpatrick, either.

That leaves me to believe the Chiefs will almost certainly try to trade down until they get a tackle or one of the lesser valued positions (ILB, RB, NT) at a much better value.

**chiefforlife** · 01-10-2012, 12:06 AM

For some reason, I have recently noticed a lot of your draft posts and have come to the conclusion....You are a pretty smart guy.
I could definitely see this unfolding and for the reasons you suggest.

**RealSNR** · 01-10-2012, 12:07 AM

Do you think Pioli knows how much he sucks?

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-10-2012, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Do you think Pioli knows how much he sucks?

Stupid people don't know they are stupid.

tmw4h5 · 01-10-2012, 12:08 AM

I think Richardson at 11/12 would be a good value pick. Otherwise, I mostly agree with you.

**Munson** · 01-10-2012, 12:21 AM

Richardson is worthy of being a top 10 pick. If he's there when we pick, Pioli would be stupid not to consider him because...

- he'll probably be the best player available
- he'd be a great insurance policy if Jamaal isn't the same player after the ACL injury

Alshon Jeffrey is a beast of a receiver, but I don't see Pioli taking him since Bowe will be re-signed/franchised, and we just spent a 1st rounder on Baldwin last year.

I can see us going with a G or RT, even though it wouldn't be a great value unless we trade down. If we do go OL, we definitely need to trade down.

tmw4h5 · 01-10-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Munson

Richardson is worthy of being a top 10 pick. If he's there when we pick, Pioli would be stupid not to consider him because...

- he'll probably be the best player available
- he'd be a great insurance policy if Jamaal isn't the same player after the ACL injury

Alshon Jeffrey is a beast of a receiver, but I don't see Pioli taking him since Bowe will be re-signed/franchised, and we just spent a 1st rounder on Baldwin last year.

I can see us going with a G or RT, even though it wouldn't be a great value unless we trade down. If we do go OL, we definitely need to trade down.

Agreed. We have no idea how JC will be this year coming back off the that injury. Richardson and Charles would be the most badass 1-2 punch for the next 4-5 years if JC comes back at, let's say, 90% of what he was before.

Jeffery is very raw. Very talented, but very raw. I say we keep Bowe, who is proven, and move forward with the talented three we have now and maybe we pick up a good WR in the later rounds if we absolutely need to.

But I definitely agree with the statement about the OL. We need to do something to address this, but at 11/12, there's not enough value. Trade down and grab a couple mid-round picks as well and then we're talking.

el borracho · 01-10-2012, 12:31 AM

If only Bobby Beathard were still around to make dumbass trades. I would love to trade out of the 1st this year and stockpile future picks.

**bevischief** · 01-10-2012, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Munson

Richardson is worthy of being a top 10 pick. If he's there when we pick, Pioli would be stupid not to consider him because...

- he'll probably be the best player available
- he'd be a great insurance policy if Jamaal isn't the same player after the ACL injury

Alshon Jeffrey is a beast of a receiver, but I don't see Pioli taking him since Bowe will be re-signed/franchised, and we just spent a 1st rounder on Baldwin last year.

I can see us going with a G or RT, even though it wouldn't be a great value unless we trade down. If we do go OL, we definitely need to trade down.

Richardson would help make Cassel look like a quarterback.

HMc · 01-10-2012, 07:11 AM

I'd probably rather a stud OL (not sure what's available) than a stud RB, but until management formulates and executes a plan to acquire a genuine QB it's all fairly academic anyway.

htismaqe · 01-10-2012, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HMc

I'd probably rather a stud OL (not sure what's available) than a stud RB, but until management formulates and executes a plan to acquire a genuine QB it's all fairly academic anyway.

Yep.

Taking the stud RB just gives them an excuse to try and go with the dogshit we have at QB.

Marty Ball doesn't work anymore.

tredadda · 01-10-2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yep.

Taking the stud RB just gives them an excuse to try and go with the dogshit we have at QB.

Marty Ball doesn't work anymore.

What in the past 40+ year history of this franchise makes you think that QB is a priority for this organization? Since the team never has valued the position, nor does it appear that they ever will as long as a Hunt is in charge, why not go out and draft a play maker and hope we win with a good defense, solid running game and average at best QB?

htismaqe · 01-10-2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief

Richardson would help make Cassel look like a quarterback.

Yeah because they'd have him throw the ball even less.

Taking Trent Richardson would set this franchise back at least 3 more years.

tredadda · 01-10-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah because they'd have him throw the ball even less.

Taking Trent Richardson would set this franchise back at least 3 more years.

How? We have given Cassel everything and yet he still sucks. If this team continues to be enamored with Cassel, we might as well make it so he has very little to actually do. If I felt this team actually valued the QB position or felt Cassel was garbage then I would be totally against the Richardson pick. Sadly though I think our horse is hitched with him, so we might as well make running it idiot proof for him. Getting Richardson does just that.

htismaqe · 01-10-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

How? We have given Cassel everything and yet he still sucks. If this team continues to be enamored with Cassel, we might as well make it so he has very little to actually do. If I felt this team actually valued the QB position or felt Cassel was garbage then I would be totally against the Richardson pick. Sadly though I think our horse is hitched with him, so we might as well make running it idiot proof for him. Getting Richardson does just that.

So you're all in favor of putting lipstick on the pig?

We need Cassel to play as many snaps without a safety blanket as possible. Once the stadium is empty, he'll finally be gone.

01-10-2012, 12:00 AM	Topic Starter
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	Starting to think the Chiefs will need to trade down... or... Normally I do not advocate this stuff, because I am usually not a fan of trading down in the first round. But I've been looking over the talent in this upcoming draft and I think this might need to be the case. First, let's take a look at the elite talent that has no chance of making it out of the first round: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford QB Robert Griffin, Baylor WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State OT Matt Kalil, USC CB Morris Claiborne, LSU The remaining top tier talent doesn't really match up value with what we want, with one major exception. RB Trent Richardson, Alabama WR Alshon Jeffrey, South Carolina OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford OT Riley Reiff, Iowa OG David DeCastro, Stanford DT Devin Still, Penn State DE Quentin Coples, North Carolina ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama Scott Pioli is a legit believer in draft value, though he has broken with it before when he drafted Eric Berry. I don't think he breaks it two out of three years however, so players like Richardson, DeCastro, and Kuechly don't really seem to warrant a Top 12 pick. It also seems to eliminate right tackle. It's been two years of Pioli passing over right tackle after right tackle, even with last year's great prospects like Carimi and Castonzo. So I think that takes Martin (who honestly isn't right tackle material to me) and Reiff out of the equation. Meanwhile, we can eliminate the players that don't fit our defense (Still, Coples). That leaves us with the corners. You can take Jenkins out of consideration since there is no way Pioli wants a guy with his character questions. Kirkpatrick is a perfect fit for this team ONLY IF this team lets Brandon Carr walk. If Carr stays on the roster, we really have no need for Kirkpatrick, either. That leaves me to believe the Chiefs will almost certainly try to trade down until they get a tackle or one of the lesser valued positions (ILB, RB, NT) at a much better value.
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01-10-2012, 12:06 AM	#2
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	For some reason, I have recently noticed a lot of your draft posts and have come to the conclusion....You are a pretty smart guy. I could definitely see this unfolding and for the reasons you suggest.
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01-10-2012, 12:08 AM	#5
tmw4h5 Starter Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $10015349	I think Richardson at 11/12 would be a good value pick. Otherwise, I mostly agree with you.
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01-10-2012, 12:21 AM	#6
Munson Roy E. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Olathe, KS Casino cash: $8359646	Richardson is worthy of being a top 10 pick. If he's there when we pick, Pioli would be stupid not to consider him because... - he'll probably be the best player available - he'd be a great insurance policy if Jamaal isn't the same player after the ACL injury Alshon Jeffrey is a beast of a receiver, but I don't see Pioli taking him since Bowe will be re-signed/franchised, and we just spent a 1st rounder on Baldwin last year. I can see us going with a G or RT, even though it wouldn't be a great value unless we trade down. If we do go OL, we definitely need to trade down.
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01-10-2012, 12:31 AM	#8
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2699148	If only Bobby Beathard were still around to make dumbass trades. I would love to trade out of the 1st this year and stockpile future picks.
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01-10-2012, 07:11 AM	#10
HMc from the very deep south. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia. Casino cash: $9944900	I'd probably rather a stud OL (not sure what's available) than a stud RB, but until management formulates and executes a plan to acquire a genuine QB it's all fairly academic anyway.
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