Life Police stun stepdad trying to save son from fire

**petegz28** · 11-07-2013, 01:51 PM

ST. LOUIS (AP) — The family of a 3-year-old killed in a northern Missouri house fire says it is outraged after police used a stun gun on the boy's stepfather as he tried to run back in and save the child.

Riley Miller died early Oct. 31 in the Mississippi River town of Louisiana. A city police officer fired his stun gun at Ryan Miller as he tried to re-enter his burning home, which was destroyed.

Grandmother Lori Miller says she witnessed two officers use the stun gun three times, twice after Ryan Miller had been handcuffed.

Miller suffered chest burns and was later released from the city jail without being charged.

The family says it is considering legal action against the city.

City Administrator Bob Jenne called the police response a "judgment call."

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kepp · 11-07-2013, 01:53 PM

Wow. I'm sure they'll say they were protecting him as he was a danger to himself, but damn.

**Predarat** · 11-07-2013, 02:01 PM

I hate suing, but I hope they sue the hell out of that damn police department and win a shitload. Police everywhere are getting way out of hand.

Dayze · 11-07-2013, 02:02 PM

"Judgement call" ahh, those are my favorite.

Frosty · 11-07-2013, 02:06 PM

TV and movies always show it as no big deal to go into a burning home but, irl, it is really stupid and frequently deadly. The police probably saved his life.

That said, I can completely see where Miller was coming from.

Ace Gunner · 11-07-2013, 02:07 PM

"safety first"

InChiefsHeaven · 11-07-2013, 02:30 PM

Say it goes down like this:

"Police fail to stop a man from going into a burning house to try to save his stepson. Both the man and the child were killed in the blaze.

The family is demanding an investigation in to how the police could let the man, who is not trained to enter a burning house, go in to his death."

You could see it going both ways. I think it just sucks, the cops probably did save his life, but damn...it just sucks...

**The Franchise** · 11-07-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Say it goes down like this:

"Police fail to stop a man from going into a burning house to try to save his stepson. Both the man and the child were killed in the blaze.

The family is demanding an investigation in to how the police could let the man, who is not trained to enter a burning house, go in to his death."

You could see it going both ways. I think it just sucks, the cops probably did save his life, but damn...it just sucks...

This.

**wazu** · 11-07-2013, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Say it goes down like this:

"Police fail to stop a man from going into a burning house to try to save his stepson. Both the man and the child were killed in the blaze.

The family is demanding an investigation in to how the police could let the man, who is not trained to enter a burning house, go in to his death."

You could see it going both ways. I think it just sucks, the cops probably did save his life, but damn...it just sucks...

The problem is, if it's your kid, you'd probably rather die trying to save them than to not even get to try.

**The Franchise** · 11-07-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

The problem is, if it's your kid, you'd probably rather die trying to save them than to not even get to try.

He's not saying that. He's stating that people could flip it around to sue the cops if they didn't stop him.

**wazu** · 11-07-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

He's not saying that. He's stating that people could flip it around to sue the cops if they didn't stop him.

People "could" sue you for just about anything you do or don't do. In this case they will probably sue for what they DID do.

Want to CYA? Make a failing attempt to physically restrain the Dad without a Taser. "I tried but he was just too strong."

Ace Gunner · 11-07-2013, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

He's not saying that. He's stating that people could flip it around to sue the cops if they didn't stop him.

I don't think that would have any legal ground.

crazycoffey · 11-07-2013, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Say it goes down like this:

"Police fail to stop a man from going into a burning house to try to save his stepson. Both the man and the child were killed in the blaze.

The family is demanding an investigation in to how the police could let the man, who is not trained to enter a burning house, go in to his death."

You could see it going both ways. I think it just sucks, the cops probably did save his life, but damn...it just sucks...

This, smoke in burning houses are nothing like you see in the movies, it's thick, hot and immediately overwhelming. I once made it in the back door of a house with a fire in the basement. If the resident hadn't made it upstairs on her own, I would not have been able to go any further.

But I'm sure in this case, the cop just wanted to be a control freak and taze someone, let a child die and play god.

it's a very tragic situation on all fronts, let's not over react people....

Frazod · 11-07-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

This, smoke in burning houses are nothing like you see in the movies, it's thick, hot and immediately overwhelming. I once made it in the back door of a house with a fire in the basement. If the resident hadn't made it upstairs on her own, I would not have been able to go any further.

Exactly. Until you've charged into a burning building or compartment, you just don't know what it's like. Hell, I got burned through my clothes fighting a controlled fire at firefighting school.

Gravedigger · 11-07-2013, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Say it goes down like this:

"Police fail to stop a man from going into a burning house to try to save his stepson. Both the man and the child were killed in the blaze.

The family is demanding an investigation in to how the police could let the man, who is not trained to enter a burning house, go in to his death."

You could see it going both ways. I think it just sucks, the cops probably did save his life, but damn...it just sucks...

An investigation but probably not a lawsuit. I don't pity Police Officers, they have extremely difficult jobs that are thankless most of the time. He made the right decision going by the rule that 2 lives lost is worse than 1 life lost. I sympathize with both parties.

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