Let's face it folks...this season is no longer about the defense...

htismaqe · 09-19-2004, 07:55 PM

Say what you want about the defense -- no amount of complaining is going change this fact:

We went into this season KNOWING that the defense was going to struggle, especially early. The offense was SUPPOSED to help offset this.

No, the defense wasn't stellar today. However, they played MUCH better than last week and even added a TD. The offense rewarded them by putting out the biggest pile of crap since the 2001 season.

I was at the game today and I really felt like the defense upheld their end of the bargain. They had some lapses, but the real problems (like the long run) didn't happen until after the offense completely let the air out of the sails.

1) The offensive line -- no I'm not talking about Welbourn. I'm talking about WILLIE ROAF. He really looks like he's lost a step, and he's relying more and more on holding. I know some people noticed it in the preseason, and he was really exposed by Peppers today on a couple of occasions.

2) Drops -- I can't even say any more. It makes me want to puke. Unlike last week, they got open. And I mean WIDE OPEN. But they just can't hang onto the ball. I hope everybody that was calling for more Richard Smith now realize what that means.

3) Trent Green -- I don't know that I can criticize this guy. It's pretty obvious: zero WR's + zero protection = bad QB play.

4) The playcalling by Al Saunders STINKS -- I'm more convinced than ever that I don't want this guy touching our team in any way, shape, or form after Vermeil leaves. You have arguably the most potent weapon in the game and you give him the ball SIXTEEN times? There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for Priest Holmes EVER having less than 20 carries. None.

5) Tackling -- it was better today, but the long run was again the result of poor tackling. He should have been down after about 6 yards. McCleon avoided contact on a couple of plays, but also made a nice open-field tackle.

6) Pass coverage -- at first I thought it was Dexter McCleon just getting beat man-to-man. Then I realized that Gunther was trying to contain the outside run by running a flat zone again. The corners on the outside were releasing the WR's into zone coverage, and ONCE AGAIN, our safeties left guys WIDE OPEN. I've been saying it for two years -- Jerome Woods CANNOT cover a deep zone.

Those were the big things I saw about the game, as far as negatives. On the positive side, I saw Sims beat a couple of double-teams, and both Siavii and Dalton played well. Our defensive tackles are definitely better than last year. Of course, our defensive ends are just as bad as ever. And Warfield looked great.

Demonpenz · 09-19-2004, 07:56 PM

I think the smart people know it's not about the offense or defense, it's about the entire team

Deberg_1990 · 09-19-2004, 07:58 PM

I agree with you man..We should never have resigned Jerome Woods...he cant cover to save his life.

Pants · 09-19-2004, 07:59 PM

Actually it makes perfect sense what htismaque said.

And Demon'sPenis, smart people know they have to support what they say with some actual proof, like htismaque did. What you said was pointless and should be disregarded by any "smart people".

**Skip Towne** · 09-19-2004, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Actually it makes perfect sense what htismaque said.

And Demon'sPenis, smart people know they have to support what they say with some actual proof, like htismaque did. What you said was pointless and should be disregarded by any "smart people".

Yeah, Demonpenis, what she said.

Demonpenz · 09-19-2004, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Yeah, Demonpenis, what she said.

It's too much work to back up what I say, i ususally stick to the "sucks/rules" method, it either sucks or it rules

ChiefsCountry · 09-19-2004, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

1) The offensive line -- no I'm not talking about Welbourn. I'm talking about WILLIE ROAF. He really looks like he's lost a step, and he's relying more and more on holding. I know some people noticed it in the preseason, and he was really exposed by Peppers today on a couple of occasions.

Thank you, I said this last week when everybody was dissing on Welbourn.

|Zach| · 09-19-2004, 07:58 PM

Great Post HTIS. The offense hung out the defense to dry today.

Deberg_1990 · 09-19-2004, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Great Post HTIS. The offense hung out the defense to dry today.

Agreed Zach....the D was bad..but the offense was worse today.

**Rausch** · 09-19-2004, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Great Post HTIS. The offense hung out the defense to dry today.

Agreed.

The defense seems to have improved this year from "piss ****ing poor" to "average/so so."

Unfortunately, our offense moved back about 10 spots, meaning any defensive improvment is moot. Our WR's are banged up, backing down, and dropping out....

milkman · 09-19-2004, 07:59 PM

It was Rucker that exposed Roaf today.

Everything else is dead on.

I've been asking why Gun was using the zones.
What happened to his legendary aggressive Man D?

**dirk digler** · 09-19-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

It was Rucker that exposed Roaf today.

Everything else is dead on.

I've been asking why Gun was using the zones.
What happened to his legendary aggressive Man D?

Besides Warfield I don't think they have anyone that can play man to man like Gun wants.

**J Diddy** · 09-19-2004, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Besides Warfield I don't think they have anyone that can play man to man like Gun wants.

throw battle in and let him take his lumps, just like he did with pat dennis

Wide freaking open receivers all freaking day.

milkman · 09-19-2004, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Besides Warfield I don't think they have anyone that can play man to man like Gun wants.

That being the case. why did any of us think that Gun could come in and have any impact?

I know most thought it was Warfield that was the weak link, but clearly McCleon has been exposed as a pretender.

Warfield has, as I expected, shown that he can play this game.

greg63 · 09-19-2004, 08:53 PM

Green had no one to throw to, Holmes had no where to run, and the offenseive line looked like swiss cheese.

09-19-2004, 07:55 PM	Topic Starter
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Let's face it folks...this season is no longer about the defense... Say what you want about the defense -- no amount of complaining is going change this fact: We went into this season KNOWING that the defense was going to struggle, especially early. The offense was SUPPOSED to help offset this. No, the defense wasn't stellar today. However, they played MUCH better than last week and even added a TD. The offense rewarded them by putting out the biggest pile of crap since the 2001 season. I was at the game today and I really felt like the defense upheld their end of the bargain. They had some lapses, but the real problems (like the long run) didn't happen until after the offense completely let the air out of the sails. 1) The offensive line -- no I'm not talking about Welbourn. I'm talking about WILLIE ROAF. He really looks like he's lost a step, and he's relying more and more on holding. I know some people noticed it in the preseason, and he was really exposed by Peppers today on a couple of occasions. 2) Drops -- I can't even say any more. It makes me want to puke. Unlike last week, they got open. And I mean WIDE OPEN. But they just can't hang onto the ball. I hope everybody that was calling for more Richard Smith now realize what that means. 3) Trent Green -- I don't know that I can criticize this guy. It's pretty obvious: zero WR's + zero protection = bad QB play. 4) The playcalling by Al Saunders STINKS -- I'm more convinced than ever that I don't want this guy touching our team in any way, shape, or form after Vermeil leaves. You have arguably the most potent weapon in the game and you give him the ball SIXTEEN times? There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for Priest Holmes EVER having less than 20 carries. None. 5) Tackling -- it was better today, but the long run was again the result of poor tackling. He should have been down after about 6 yards. McCleon avoided contact on a couple of plays, but also made a nice open-field tackle. 6) Pass coverage -- at first I thought it was Dexter McCleon just getting beat man-to-man. Then I realized that Gunther was trying to contain the outside run by running a flat zone again. The corners on the outside were releasing the WR's into zone coverage, and ONCE AGAIN, our safeties left guys WIDE OPEN. I've been saying it for two years -- Jerome Woods CANNOT cover a deep zone. Those were the big things I saw about the game, as far as negatives. On the positive side, I saw Sims beat a couple of double-teams, and both Siavii and Dalton played well. Our defensive tackles are definitely better than last year. Of course, our defensive ends are just as bad as ever. And Warfield looked great.
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	It was Rucker that exposed Roaf today. Everything else is dead on. I've been asking why Gun was using the zones. What happened to his legendary aggressive Man D? __________________
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