Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit?

[Rexx]

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

First question out of Andy Reid's mouth to Bob Sutton should have been "Why didn't we make Hilton the focal point of our defense in the second half… why was he wide open virtually every play?"

Bob: "So, you wanted me to guard a hotel? Are you ****ing nuts fat man? How 'bout a glass of warm milk lumpy, we can talk about planes, trains and automobiles?"

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by npayne1978

You guys are completely missing what I'm saying. I'll just stay off the boards because you guys know it all. It must be nice to know everything there is to know about football.

Not everything, just more than you. It apparently doesn't take much with the hilarity you've been posting.

I love the Chiefs and I love JC. I just feel like once again we got the short end of the stick, when we needed him he wasn't there. In 1993 we needed Joe Montana and he went out with a concussion.

OR....

We needed our defense to stop Thurman Thomas, and we needed Marty to keep our best defensive player on the football field instead of benching him the entire second half.

In 1995 we needed a kicker,

OR.....

We just needed to do what got us there, which was running the football. Marty abandoned the running game when it was clearly working. That game should not have come down to a FG try, let alone three.


In 2003 we needed Priest not to fumble

Heh.

How about we needed our defense to make a stop? One stop. Putting that loss on Priest Holmes and the offense is about as stupid as trying to put this loss on Alex Smith for missing Cyrus Gray.


and in 2013 we needed our horse running back and he was hurt.

Last I checked, we scored 44 points without Jamaal. Love the guy, but we did fine without him. What we needed was once again, a defense to show up and make stops.

You guys think I'm bashing JC and I'm not.

I actually thought you were attempting to set the record for the furthest anyone has shoved their head up their own ass before posting on an internet board.

Football is a team sport. You cant sit and point fingers at one guy and let slide the atrocity of the performance of one of your team's units. Doesn't work that way.

Charles is very quickly approaching the top of the mountain in terms of Chiefs Franchise Running Backs. The fact that we scored 44 points without him should speak volumes of the talent level and capability of our often questioned Quarterback, given what he did and who he did that with without the threat of Jamaal Charles back there.

Shit happens. He didn't just decide 6 plays into the game to just Peace Out and leave the work to Smith and Knile Davis.

[T-post Tom]

Reid is fine. Disagree on all points. It's easy to oversimplify when you're "coaching" from the sidelines. JMHO. (And I will gladly join your side if KL is starting FS next season. )

[Big Poppa Payne]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Football is a team sport. You cant sit and point fingers at one guy and let slide the atrocity of the performance of one of your team's units. Doesn't work that way.

Charles is very quickly approaching the top of the mountain in terms of Chiefs Franchise Running Backs. The fact that we scored 44 points without him should speak volumes of the talent level and capability of our often questioned Quarterback, given what he did and who he did that with without the threat of Jamaal Charles back there.

Shit happens. He didn't just decide 6 plays into the game to just Peace Out and leave the work to Smith and Knile Davis.

Good points. While you play with comic books I actually play football. I'm entitled to my opinion and I agree they scored 44 without JC. The problem is they needed 46 to get the job done.

I never pointed a finger at a single player, the entire defense ****ed that game up. My point was when we needed our playmaker he wasn't there and because of that people will always say "what if" and when you have a "what if" hanging over you it can take away some of the shine. After all that's what the thread is about.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by milkman

No, the problem on offense is that Reid tried to utilize the short passing game to burn clock rather than continue to attack.

Man I 100% agree with that..and to those saying run the ball in the red zone..I'm saying NO! It really didn't work all year..We have to attack down the field....and that's what we lacked in the 2nd half yesterday.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by npayne1978

Good points. While you play with comic books I actually play football. I'm entitled to my opinion and I agree they scored 44 without JC. The problem is they needed 46 to get the job done.

Or, you know, maybe they needed to not give up 35 points in a half of football.

How youre pinning this loss on the offense is quite beyond me. As for you playing football, I don't know why that is even said. Is that supposed to impress anyone here?

It doesn't.

[FloridaMan88]

Andy Reid is still a million times better than the Herm/Haley/Romeo clown act we had to endure the previous 8 years.

[Big Poppa Payne]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Football is a team sport. You cant sit and point fingers at one guy and let slide the atrocity of the performance of one of your team's units. Doesn't work that way.

Charles is very quickly approaching the top of the mountain in terms of Chiefs Franchise Running Backs. The fact that we scored 44 points without him should speak volumes of the talent level and capability of our often questioned Quarterback, given what he did and who he did that with without the threat of Jamaal Charles back there.

Shit happens. He didn't just decide 6 plays into the game to just Peace Out and leave the work to Smith and Knile Davis.

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Or, you know, maybe they needed to not give up 35 points in a half of football.

How youre pinning this loss on the offense is quite beyond me. As for you playing football, I don't know why that is even said. Is that supposed to impress anyone here?

It doesn't.

Buddy, I'm not blaming the loss on the offense! It's clear as ****ing day that the defense blew that game. I'm with you guys man, I'm on the good guys side. I was just posting because NFL Network was talking about JC and "what if". That's all.

[CoMoChief]

If this team doesn't get it's defense fixed....next season is going to be a 6-10 one at best.

Then the people of KC will want him ran outa town lol.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by npayne1978

Good points. While you play with comic books I actually play football. I'm entitled to my opinion and I agree they scored 44 without JC. The problem is they needed 46 to get the job done.

I never pointed a finger at a single player, the entire defense ****ed that game up. My point was when we needed our playmaker he wasn't there and because of that people will always say "what if" and when you have a "what if" hanging over you it can take away some of the shine. After all that's what the thread is about.

I thought you were going to stop posting? Damn, that didn't last long.

[Big Poppa Payne]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

I thought you were going to stop posting? Damn, that didn't last long.

Funny

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by npayne1978

Buddy, I'm not blaming the loss on the offense! It's clear as ****ing day that the defense blew that game. I'm with you guys man, I'm on the good guys side. I was just posting because NFL Network was talking about JC and "what if". That's all.

So how should one take this statement, if not as an indictment against the offense?

"I agree they scored 44 without JC. The problem was they needed 46 to get the job done."

We didn't need Jamaal to miraculously recover to win that game. We needed the ****ing defense to go out and for one single series, do their ****ing job.

What ifs are just fodder for media tools who lack the creativity to come up with something worthwhile to talk about. What if the Chiefs fielded a halfway competent defense?

We're not having this discussion, that's what. The real question would have been how many scores would we have crushed them by.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by npayne1978

Buddy, I'm not blaming the loss on the offense! It's clear as ****ing day that the defense blew that game. I'm with you guys man, I'm on the good guys side. I was just posting because NFL Network was talking about JC and "what if". That's all.

If you make a stupid post, there are 3 ways to handle it. You can (1) ignore it and wait for everyone to forget about it, (2) admit you made a stupid post and just move on, or (3) make about 20 additional posts about the same ****ing topic.

#3 isn't working for you. You're obviously incapable of #2, so my advice is to belatedly go with #1. In other words, if you would just shut up about it, it would blow over. If you continue to look for ways to justify it or excuse it or explain it or try to convince everybody that misunderstood you, you will just prolong your own agony. Drop it and move on.

[Big Poppa Payne]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

If you make a stupid post, there are 3 ways to handle it. You can (1) ignore it and wait for everyone to forget about it, (2) admit you made a stupid post and just move on, or (3) make about 20 additional posts about the same ****ing topic.

#3 isn't working for you. You're obviously incapable of #2, so my advice is to belatedly go with #1. In other words, if you would just shut up about it, it would blow over. If you continue to look for ways to justify it or excuse it or explain it or try to convince everybody that misunderstood you, you will just prolong your own agony. Drop it and move on.

Right on, thanks for the advice. I know I'm new and I'm trying not to step on toes.

[Big Poppa Payne]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

So how should one take this statement, if not as an indictment against the offense?

"I agree they scored 44 without JC. The problem was they needed 46 to get the job done."

We didn't need Jamaal to miraculously recover to win that game. We needed the ****ing defense to go out and for one single series, do their ****ing job.

What ifs are just fodder for media tools who lack the creativity to come up with something worthwhile to talk about. What if the Chiefs fielded a halfway competent defense?

We're not having this discussion, that's what. The real question would have been how many scores would we have crushed them by.

I agree with ya man.