Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit?

[Rexx]

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

[InChiefsHeaven]

Ah ****. We scored 44 goddam points. That's more than enough to win a ****ing game. When you are up by 4 ****ing TDs in the second half, you have no business losing...unless your defense shits the bed with corn and peanut filled steaming piles of diarrhea. **** this "defense". That's where the problem was and is.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Davis averaged 3.7 yards per carry. Feeding him the rock on a predictable basis was going to lead to a lot of 3 and outs. The problem on offense wasn't that we didn't run clock, it is that we didn't score enough points in the 2nd half.

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The mistake was taking the foot off the pedal. Alex was hot so I figure better to keep passing than try to run without Charles.

[Big Poppa Payne]

Originally Posted by milkman

You're a ****ing moron.

Sadly, there's no rule against moronacy.

You guys are completely missing what I'm saying. I'll just stay off the boards because you guys know it all. It must be nice to know everything there is to know about football.

I love the Chiefs and I love JC. I just feel like once again we got the short end of the stick, when we needed him he wasn't there. In 1993 we needed Joe Montana and he went out with a concussion. In 1995 we needed a kicker, in 1997 we needed a TD call to go our way. In 2003 we needed Priest not to fumble and in 2013 we needed our horse running back and he was hurt.

You guys think I'm bashing JC and I'm not.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by npayne1978

I guess I'm not worthy of being a "poster" then. Lol.

I'm just telling you how I feel. Charles is a great running back and I do feel he will be tarnished by this injury, especially if the Chiefs don't make it back to the playoffs in the next couple of years. I'm not stupid, I know it's not his fault he got hurt and I know he had no control to go back in. That doesn't change the fact that when we needed him the most, he wasn't there.

Nothing is tarnished. You're the only one that's brought it up. It's not like his bones broke because he's skinny. It's not like he had a mild ankle sprain and didnt tough it out. His head hit the ground hard. It's not like Moeaki getting stung by some mysterious injury . Every single player whose head hits the ground is vulnerable to concussion.

In most years, he is probably cleared to play. This was a complete freak thing that has nothing to do with injury history or toughness.

[DaWolf]

Too many big plays given up, that was the issue. If Reid has any problem, it is that he hasn't been able to find a great DC since Jim Johnson. But let's not fool ourselves here. They inherited a 2-14 defense with some overrated talent, and it showed once we played some real QBs. We need to draft some talent and people who will play solid and disciplined in the back end...

[Big Poppa Payne]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Ah ****. We scored 44 goddam points. That's more than enough to win a ****ing game. When you are up by 4 ****ing TDs in the second half, you have no business losing...unless your defense shits the bed with corn and peanut filled steaming piles of diarrhea. **** this "defense". That's where the problem was and is.

I agree man, the defense lost that game.

[dj56dt58]

Originally Posted by Rexx

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

Did you copy and paste that from a 2003 Dick Vermiel discussion?

[Just Passin' By]

Andy Reid is Andy Reid. He's the same guy he was in Philly. I don't understand why there would be any issue of tarnish.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by gosampel

Like my dad said years ago to the Hunt's the nfl football is a hobby, not a job they make their main money on

LOL, we often forget that what the Hunt's make on the is just shoe money for the family's girls and a great opportunity to meet Pro players and to travel. If not for the ladies shoe shopping, Clark would lose the $30M in the sofa!

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

LOL, we often forget that what the Hunt's make on the is just shoe money for the family's girls and a great opportunity to meet Pro players and to travel. If not for the ladies shoe shopping, Clark would lose the $30M in the sofa!

yep. he don't even really give a shit. The Chiefs were his daddy's baby.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Andy Reid is Andy Reid. He's the same guy he was in Philly. I don't understand why there would be any issue of tarnish.

yep. I posted those exact words earlier.

get ready for 10+ years of double digit wins and certain playoff losses.

[FloridaMan88]

Andy Reid did a great job this year.

Hopefully he makes the right decision and fires Sutton.

Also Dorsey needs another big offseason this year to ensure the Chiefs get back to the playoffs next season.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Andy Reid did a great job this year.

Hopefully he makes the right decision and fires Sutton.

Also Dorsey needs another big offseason this year to ensure the Chiefs get back to the playoffs next season.

I agree. The deal is he is not going to fire Sutton and because of that, the shine for me has tarnished a bit. He does not need to let Sutton be GRob part Deaux. If he ignores the early signs and does nothing, that's exactly where this is headed.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by TEX

I agree. The deal is he is not going to fire Sutton and because of that, the shine for me has tarnished a bit. He does not need to let Sutton be GRob part Deaux. If he ignores the early signs and does nothing, that's exactly where this is headed.

I don't think Bob knows how to be anything but Greg Part-II. The man isn't going to change at 62, so Andy would need to silently replace him (let him stand around but mute his Mic and let some other ghost coach call the plays) if he wants to see any creativity out of the skill-challenged goons.

[FloridaMan88]

First question out of Andy Reid's mouth to Bob Sutton should have been "Why didn't we make Hilton the focal point of our defense in the second half… why was he wide open virtually every play?"