If Bowe goes down . . .

[OldSchool]

What the hell are they going to do with the WR position?

I don't care how good of a play designer or play caller Reid can be, or if Alex Smith plays like he did in the playoff game for the entire season, we'd be lucky to average 20 points a game if our WR core becomes:

Avery, Jenkins, Hemmingway, Wilson/Williams/Dressler

Is Dorsey expecting our defense to hold opposing offenses to less than 10 points a game or something?

The only WR's out there right now who are worth even a tiny glance are:

Miles Austin
Santonio Holmes

That's literally it on the FA market.

Do we trade Flowers for someone? Who would make that trade? Hali?

It seems like the FO is betting on Jenkins, Avery, and Hemmingway to step up their games in year 2, but I won't be holding my breath on it.

Another possibility is that they expect Kelce back at full strength and expect him to be a 40-60 catch guy for us as an inline TE and occasional slot guy.

All I know is that Reid really has his work cut out for him. This offensive roster, in terms of receiving weapons, is nearly as bad as his early 2000 Eagles days when he had Todd Pinkston, Freddy Mitchell, and James Thrash as his top receivers. I just pray that Bowe can stay healthy and put up at least 80% of the production that Owens had for the Eagles in 2004.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I don't think so.

They went after Sanders and he pulled a total bitch move and were in the mix for D-Jax.

They weren't in the mix for Jackson. It wasn't 24 hours after his release, iirc, that they were already publicly declaring themselves "out."

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by jd1020

They weren't in the mix for Jackson.

They were until they realized exactly what he and his agent were wanting money wise.

Saying they had no interest in adding to the WR position just isn't true.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

They were until they realized exactly what he and his agent were wanting money wise.

That's not in the mix.

They never even made an offer. Hell, for all we know Andy just called him up to wish him luck.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Defenses pretty much stopped doubling Bowe about game 3 of the season. No point to it.

I would too if it meant not being able to contain Jamaal.

LLOLOLOLOLORAIDERSGAMELOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don't get you Sac. You hate on Avery for dropping passes and want to upgrade with another guy that drops passes?

Avery is 5'11", 185 lbs. and can't/won't run inside routes. I can't remember Avery blocking anyone.

Moncrief is 6'3", 225 lbs., is just as fast, is a very good route runner and is only 20 years old. He also will block a dude into the ground.

Yeah, I hate on Avery dropping passes. I also hate on passing on a guy with as much upside as any receiver in this past draft.

And Moncrief's drops are more due to lapses in concentration than they are stone hands like what Avery has.

Outside the numbers, there aren't many receivers as dangerous with the football in the air. With the way Moncrief can go up and get the football, he extends his catching radius. Furthermore, explosiveness was on full display against a talented Horns secondary in 2012, but to be a complete receiver at the next level, he's got to make more plays across the middle of the field.

Against LSU in 2012, he was matched up for most of the day with CB Tharold Simon. Consequently, Moncrief abused him all over the field. But, Simon wasn't alone. Moncrief's ability to dominate the space between the numbers and the sideline was evident throughout the game. Whether it was on stutter and go routes, slants or fades down the sideline, he couldn't be stopped. About the only aspect of the passing game in which Moncrief doesn't excel is in short catch-and-run situations. He has great speed out in space, but doesn't have the wiggle to get himself free after the catch.

Prior to playing Mississippi State in 2012, the MSU secondary members ran their mouths. A lot. That didn't sit well with Moncrief and he made two future NFL Draft picks pay in a big way. Whether MSU played man or zone, Moncrief whipped every DB he faced. They got turned around in man coverage when he beat them on slant routes all night long. The inability to cover Moncrief may have cost MSU the Egg Bowl. Furthermore, Moncrief didn't have any lapses in concentration as he did against LSU in key spots.

In 2013, Moncrief saw nearly every defense's best cover man and shared the limelight with true freshman star Laquon Treadwell. Regardless, if an NFL team craves big play ability, Moncrief must to be near the top of that team's wish list.

• Excellent route runner - sells deeper routes even on speed turn
• Against smaller corners he'll dominate them stalk blocking
• As good a deep threat as there is in the game
• Adjusts to the ball extremely well downfield, acrobatic
• Uses body to shield defensive back from the ball on hitch or quick throw
• Stutter and go footwork is brilliant - double move is exquisite for young receiver
• Glue sticks for hands - when ball is out away from his body, he snatches ball
• Body control, gets DBs on his hip, it's over
• Strength keeps DBs from impacting route or ability to make catch.
• DBs won't break up pass if he gets you on his hip, which he does well
• Beats DBs inside WHEN THEY HAVE INSIDE LEVERAGE - uncanny

This guy with Andrew Luck is going to be absolutely devastating and Smith would have loved this guy.

I'm calling it right now - we ****ed that pick up big time.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

He passed on viable receiving options throughout the entire draft. About the only round you could say that a TE/WR would have been a reach was the 1st round.

But again, I don't think that has anything to do with Dorsey not valuing receivers. It means he's going to pick against his board. If the top of his board is a receiver, he would have taken one. I can't speak for the entire draft, but Gaines and Ford seem to be slotted correctly. It wouldn't surprise me if a WR was next in line for Dorsey if Ford wasn't taken.

[OldSchool]

Avery runs a 4.27, Moncrief runs a 4.4. He's just as fast? Huh?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Avery runs a 4.27, Moncrief runs a 4.4. He's just as fast? Huh?

Not to start a pissing match, but in fairness, Avery ran a 4.27 7 years ago.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Not to start a pissing match, but in fairness, Avery ran a 4.27 7 years ago.

And in fairness, Donte Moncrief will NEVER run a 4.27.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And in fairness, Donte Moncrief will NEVER run a 4.27.

Not arguing that in the slightest.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Not to start a pissing match, but in fairness, Avery ran a 4.27 7 years ago.

Who said Avery ran a 4.27?

He ran a 4.49 at the Combine.

Moncrief ran a 4.40.

So, for those of you who took note, Moncrief and Avery are not just as fast. Moncrief is faster.

One reporter asked an interesting follow-up to that claim: Why did Avery run a 4.49-second 40-yard dash at the Combine?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Who said Avery ran a 4.27?

He ran a 4.49 at the Combine.

Moncrief ran a 4.40.

So, for those of you who took note, Moncrief and Avery are not just as fast. Moncrief is faster.

Guessing you have someone on ignore. Post 97.

I took him at his word, my mistake.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Who said Avery ran a 4.27?

He ran a 4.49 at the Combine.

Moncrief ran a 4.40.

So, for those of you who took note, Moncrief and Avery are not just as fast. Moncrief is faster.

Because he pulled his hammy while running.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not sure you could call Marquise Lee a reach at 23. A shit-ton of Thursday afternoon mocks had us taking him there.

And you certainly can't say we didn't take him because of injury concerns - look at our ****ing draft class.

good point


'we passed on WR/TE options in every round ........'


I absolutely think that reflects on Dorsey's priority and importance he puts on the position.

Either that or Dorsey puts low importance on the teams immediate needs in favor of drafting for the future. He may think that they team will just have to make do now because a more sustainable product is derived from drafting for future needs because a player has a chance to learn from the guy he's replacing. Draft picks take a couple of years to develop so drafting for immediate needs is just chasing your tail in a losing battle.

Fisher/Albert
Commings/Lewis
Ford/Hali
Kush/Hudson (because Hudson is going to guard *speculation*)
Gaines/Flowers/Smith
Murray/Smith (let contract expire? lolololo had to post it )

[jd1020]

Get your stopwatches out!