Chiefs AFC west Draft Grades - Page 5

oaklandhater · 04-30-2016, 11:56 PM

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Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa receives his jersey from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after being selected by the San Diego Chargers with the third overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft on April 28, 2016 in Chicago. Photo by Brian Kersey/UPI | License Photo
Grading an NFL Draft immediately after it occurs is akin to giving your compliments to the chef based on the menu. It will take at least three years before we can truly assess how the 32 NFL teams fared this eekend. But waiting is no fun. As such, let's take a take at which teams appear to have done the best job of filling needs and building for the future via the seven rounds of the 2016 NFL draft.

AFC West Draft Grades: 2016 NFL Draft

Denver Broncos

You have to admire John Elway's aggression in trading up to nab Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch. The strong-armed and athletic passer is also a terrific schematic fit in Gary Kubiak's offense, which calls for lots of bootlegs and some of the quick screens that Lynch used so effectively with the Tigers. Lynch requires patience, however, which means that Mark Sanchez might be the starter for the Broncos in 2016. Patience could be the operative word with the rest of Denver's class, which featured several players coming off injury, including second-round defensive tackle Adam Gotsis (ACL) and running back Devontae Booker (meniscus). Third-round safety Justin Simmons might wind up making the most immediate impact for the Broncos, though Lynch, Gotsis and Booker all have legitimate starting talent, once ready. Of Denver's day three picks, athletic guard Connor McGovern stands out as a good schematic fit and punter Riley Dixon will be given every opportunity to make the roster.

Grade: B

Kansas City Chiefs

The Chiefs have won big with freakishly athletic big man Dontari Poe and general manager John Dorsey is hoping to duplicate that success with similarly long and agile defensive lineman Chris Jones, who can play or out in a three-man front. Offering similar versatility is Notre Dame's KeiVarae Russell, who could help at cornerback opposite last year's Rookie of the Year, Marcus Peters, or slip inside to play safety. Either way, Russell's athletic and physicality are NFL-caliber as is Minnesota corner Eric Murray, who popped off tape. Perhaps the most intriguing selection for the Chiefs, however, were wideouts Demarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill. Each come with character red flags, but Andy Reid's history as a player's coach and the leadership in the locker room in Kansas City could unlock their undeniable talent. Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan is going to make this roster as a fifth-round pick, taking the place of Chase Daniels as Alex Smith's primary backup.

Grade: B+

Oakland Raiders

The Raiders pulled of the major surprises of the first round with safety Karl Joseph at No. 14 overall. Joseph warranted this high of a pick, as he is a fierce hitter, with terrific ball skills and is the consummate locker room guy, but he is coming off a torn ACL, potentially impacting his ability to play right away. Oakland gambled up upside in the second round with former wide receiver and safety turned defensive lineman Jihad Ward, who really turned heads at the Senior Bowl. Third-rounder Shilique Calhoun was a three-time All-American defensive end at Michigan State. His burst, agility and refined hands could make him a very effective edge rusher in the NFL, too. Much will be made of the selection of Connor Cook in the fourth round. Rather than an indictment on youngster Derek Carr, this could be an example of Reggie McKenzie following in the footsteps of Ron Wolf in Green Bay, who was known for investing in young quarterbacks in the hopes of developing them and peddling them for future picks. Vadal Alexander's stock slip in 2015 because he played out of position at right tackle, but Oakland's seventh-round selection could prove a "surprise" if slid back inside at guard, where his lack of agility would be mitigated.

Grade: B

San Diego Chargers

Chargers general manager Tom Telesco fooled us all with pre-draft reports that the club was focusing on other players but instead taking the safer route with the pro-ready Joey Bosa at No. 3 overall. Bosa projected best as a traditional 4-3 defensive end, but it was his versatility, power and instincts that will be put to great use by defensive coordinator John Pagano. Expect to see Bosa line up wide as a stand-up rusher as well as drop down to a defensive end and even slip inside to defensive tackle on passing downs. He lacks the burst and bend most associate with a pick this high, but there is little bust factor with a player this polished. It is easy to be excited about San Diego's next three moves, as well, as the club found a true complement (and eventual replacement) for Antonio Gates with the sure-handed Hunter Henry in the second round, arguably the draft's most versatile offensive lineman in Southern Cal's Max Tuerk in the third and do-everything linebacker Joshua Perry, who was overshadowed a bit by all of the talent at Ohio State but could flourish in Pagano's scheme because of his length and power. Another versatile defender, Jatavis Brown -- a Combine snub -- could surprise, as well.

Grade: B+

**Easy 6** · 05-01-2016, 09:49 AM

That was an oddly positive take from Walter, wonder whats gotten into him?

What I'm mostly seeing here and elsewhere are B's and that sounds about right IMO... theres no clear cut starter in the group, although Ehinger has a shot, but its full of solid depth at positions of need

I would've liked to see an OLB prospect taken well ahead of Nicolas, but other than that I cant complain too much

Mr. Laz · 05-01-2016, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by penchief

Reid & Dorsey's history here has been stellar. For the first three drafts, 18 of 23 picks are currently on the 53 man roster. That's 78%. Another half dozen or so undrafted rookie free agents have made this team (Wilson, West, Harris, March, etc.)

Additionally, another half dozen or so young players drafted by other teams have been poached from practices squads or picked up off the waiver wire to make the roster and contribute (Parker, Ware, Cooper, etc.). Plus, they've come out on the better end of what few trades they've made (Smith, Sherman).

Care to guess how many of Pioli's draft picks are still on this team? I'll tell you: four. That's the same number as Peterson's draft picks. Pioli's draft picks should be in their prime and contributing to this team right now but most of them are out of the league.

Dorsey & Reid took a team that was 2-14 and produced three winning seasons, two playoff appearances, and the first playoff win in forever. And they did it while almost completely turning this roster over. Eight players are all that exist from the previous two regimes. Making it even more amazing is the fact that there are only five players that are 30 or older (Smith, Hali, Johnson, Colquitt, & Fanaika).

The chiefs are winning, they're young, and they are doing it mostly with players that Reid & Dorsey have brought in. That is a track record we should all feel good about. We should try to appreciate what those two have done with this team in such a short period of time. Clark Hunt got it right this time.

Dorsey's eye for talent has been the difference, no doubt.

That and not having crazy ass Todd Haley at HC.

**notorious** · 05-01-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

That was an oddly positive take from Walter, wonder whats gotten into him?

What I'm mostly seeing here and elsewhere are B's and that sounds about right IMO... theres no clear cut starter in the group,

That's what's funny in my book. If the Chiefs sucked and lacked talent, the picks would be labeled as probable starters and given A's. The "experts" penalize the grading to good teams.

Extremely stupid if you think about it.

**Easy 6** · 05-01-2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

That's what's funny in my book. If the Chiefs sucked and lacked talent, the picks would be labeled as probable starters and given A's. The "experts" penalize the grading to good teams.

Extremely stupid if you think about it.

Thats a fair point, in years past a number of these guys would've been day one starters... the fact that they arent is a testament to how well built this team is

We're no longer forced to start rookies, its a great sign

milkman · 05-01-2016, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

That was an oddly positive take from Walter, wonder whats gotten into him?

What I'm mostly seeing here and elsewhere are B's and that sounds about right IMO... theres no clear cut starter in the group, although Ehinger has a shot, but its full of solid depth at positions of need

I would've liked to see an OLB prospect taken well ahead of Nicolas, but other than that I cant complain too much

The more I read about Ehinger, the less likely it seems that he will be ready to start as a rookie.

Beef Supreme · 05-01-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The more I read about Ehinger, the less likely it seems that he will be ready to start as a rookie.

Yeah, that pick was a head scratcher with the O-line talent still left on the board at that point. But what the **** do I know.

**Easy 6** · 05-01-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The more I read about Ehinger, the less likely it seems that he will be ready to start as a rookie.

It'll be interesting to see how things play out in camp and preseason, the one thing thats really giving me a stiffy about this guy is that every take I read on him mentions things like "nasty" or "a real mean streak"

LOVE to hear that, hope he is able to grab the reins so we can see that bad attitude in action

keg in kc · 05-01-2016, 11:42 AM

I don't remember many people thinking Mitch Morse would be a starter at this time last year, either, though obviously he was taken much higher.

sedated · 05-01-2016, 11:46 AM

Can you really take the article seriously when they spell the players names wrong?

oaklandhater · 05-01-2016, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The more I read about Ehinger, the less likely it seems that he will be ready to start as a rookie.

Other then Tyreek Hill he seem's to be the least liked picked on most websites.

oaklandhater · 05-01-2016, 04:04 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...unds/83771600/

USA TODAY not a fan of our Draft.

Kansas City Chiefs

Grade: C-

Analysis: This might be one of those classes that will look better in a couple years, since there wasn’t a single sexy pick that was a complete need-value fit. But Mississippi State DT Chris Jones gives the Chiefs more depth up front (and protection in case Dontari Poe winds up eventually leaving in free agency), and the Chiefs might have found a new backup for QB Alex Smith in Stanford’s Kevin Hogan. That pick is not good news for 2014 draft pick Aaron Murray.

Oakland Raiders

Grade: B-

Analysis: The secondary still needed help, and Oakland got the draft’s best safety at No. 14 overall in West Virginia’s Karl Joseph. Moving up in the fourth round to draft Michigan State QB Connor Cook is a sign GM Reggie McKenzie hasn’t forgotten his Green Bay roots. While this isn’t an ideal situation for Cook, who will now be competing for a backup job, it’s a long-game move for the Raiders.

Denver Broncos

Grade: B+

Analysis: Give John Elway plenty of credit for the way he played this quarterback situation. Though a battle between Mark Sanchez and Memphis' Paxton Lynch, whom Denver traded up to No. 26 to select, is far from ideal for the defending Super Bowl champions, Lynch is a good long-term prospect and a far better bargain than any of the veterans the Broncos pursued. Denver also addressed needs on the second day with Georgia Tech DL Adam Gotsis and Boston College S Justin Simmons, helping fill voids left in free agency.

San Diego Chargers

Grade: C

Analysis: Defensive coordinator John Pagano has to like this class, but how do you think QB Philip Rivers feels about it? The defense is now better and deeper, thanks a pair of Ohio State players in DE Joey Bosa and LB Joshua Perry. But other than drafting USC center Max Tuerk, the Chargers did little in the draft to improve their ability to protect Rivers.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-02-2016, 08:53 AM

Not sure on ours yet, but Denver had a dumpster fire of a draft...wow

**BossChief** · 05-02-2016, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

*I'M* not the one saying we should have scooped up Lynch. The Chiefs allegedly were.

And they played passive to the Broncos' aggressive.

Elway gets his guy. The Chiefs cross their fingers and hope.

KC didn't play passive with Lynch.

They scouted him all year and tried to trade up for him, but without a third rounder...Dorsey had his hands tied.

We had pick 28 and Denver had 31...they had their original third and a comp third...we got our third taken for nonsense.

...

If KC had traded up for Lynch, they would have had to use their 2nd rounder this year. That would have left KC with no picks until day 3 in the late 4th round...and a QB that won't play for AT LEAST 2 years.

We would have Lynch, a 4th, 2 5ths a 6th and a 7th.

It sucks, but GODell taking that third rounder screwed us out of getting Lynch.

O.city · 05-02-2016, 09:21 AM

If they wanted him, throw in an Early pick from next year. If he's your franchise qb, he's worth whatever pick you give up.

**notorious** · 05-02-2016, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If they wanted him, throw in an Early pick from next year. If he's your franchise qb, he's worth whatever pick you give up.

Exactly.

It's not like the Chiefs didn't have the ammo. A 2nd next year would have done the job.

They didn't want him that bad, though, or they would have got him.

04-30-2016, 11:56 PM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5868993	AFC west Draft Grades http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2...8291462064439/ 1 of 2 Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa receives his jersey from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after being selected by the San Diego Chargers with the third overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft on April 28, 2016 in Chicago. Photo by Brian Kersey/UPI \| License Photo Grading an NFL Draft immediately after it occurs is akin to giving your compliments to the chef based on the menu. It will take at least three years before we can truly assess how the 32 NFL teams fared this eekend. But waiting is no fun. As such, let's take a take at which teams appear to have done the best job of filling needs and building for the future via the seven rounds of the 2016 NFL draft. AFC West Draft Grades: 2016 NFL Draft Denver Broncos You have to admire John Elway's aggression in trading up to nab Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch. The strong-armed and athletic passer is also a terrific schematic fit in Gary Kubiak's offense, which calls for lots of bootlegs and some of the quick screens that Lynch used so effectively with the Tigers. Lynch requires patience, however, which means that Mark Sanchez might be the starter for the Broncos in 2016. Patience could be the operative word with the rest of Denver's class, which featured several players coming off injury, including second-round defensive tackle Adam Gotsis (ACL) and running back Devontae Booker (meniscus). Third-round safety Justin Simmons might wind up making the most immediate impact for the Broncos, though Lynch, Gotsis and Booker all have legitimate starting talent, once ready. Of Denver's day three picks, athletic guard Connor McGovern stands out as a good schematic fit and punter Riley Dixon will be given every opportunity to make the roster. Grade: B Kansas City Chiefs The Chiefs have won big with freakishly athletic big man Dontari Poe and general manager John Dorsey is hoping to duplicate that success with similarly long and agile defensive lineman Chris Jones, who can play or out in a three-man front. Offering similar versatility is Notre Dame's KeiVarae Russell, who could help at cornerback opposite last year's Rookie of the Year, Marcus Peters, or slip inside to play safety. Either way, Russell's athletic and physicality are NFL-caliber as is Minnesota corner Eric Murray, who popped off tape. Perhaps the most intriguing selection for the Chiefs, however, were wideouts Demarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill. Each come with character red flags, but Andy Reid's history as a player's coach and the leadership in the locker room in Kansas City could unlock their undeniable talent. Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan is going to make this roster as a fifth-round pick, taking the place of Chase Daniels as Alex Smith's primary backup. Grade: B+ Oakland Raiders The Raiders pulled of the major surprises of the first round with safety Karl Joseph at No. 14 overall. Joseph warranted this high of a pick, as he is a fierce hitter, with terrific ball skills and is the consummate locker room guy, but he is coming off a torn ACL, potentially impacting his ability to play right away. Oakland gambled up upside in the second round with former wide receiver and safety turned defensive lineman Jihad Ward, who really turned heads at the Senior Bowl. Third-rounder Shilique Calhoun was a three-time All-American defensive end at Michigan State. His burst, agility and refined hands could make him a very effective edge rusher in the NFL, too. Much will be made of the selection of Connor Cook in the fourth round. Rather than an indictment on youngster Derek Carr, this could be an example of Reggie McKenzie following in the footsteps of Ron Wolf in Green Bay, who was known for investing in young quarterbacks in the hopes of developing them and peddling them for future picks. Vadal Alexander's stock slip in 2015 because he played out of position at right tackle, but Oakland's seventh-round selection could prove a "surprise" if slid back inside at guard, where his lack of agility would be mitigated. Grade: B San Diego Chargers Chargers general manager Tom Telesco fooled us all with pre-draft reports that the club was focusing on other players but instead taking the safer route with the pro-ready Joey Bosa at No. 3 overall. Bosa projected best as a traditional 4-3 defensive end, but it was his versatility, power and instincts that will be put to great use by defensive coordinator John Pagano. Expect to see Bosa line up wide as a stand-up rusher as well as drop down to a defensive end and even slip inside to defensive tackle on passing downs. He lacks the burst and bend most associate with a pick this high, but there is little bust factor with a player this polished. It is easy to be excited about San Diego's next three moves, as well, as the club found a true complement (and eventual replacement) for Antonio Gates with the sure-handed Hunter Henry in the second round, arguably the draft's most versatile offensive lineman in Southern Cal's Max Tuerk in the third and do-everything linebacker Joshua Perry, who was overshadowed a bit by all of the talent at Ohio State but could flourish in Pagano's scheme because of his length and power. Another versatile defender, Jatavis Brown -- a Combine snub -- could surprise, as well. Grade: B+
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-62225	That was an oddly positive take from Walter, wonder whats gotten into him? What I'm mostly seeing here and elsewhere are B's and that sounds about right IMO... theres no clear cut starter in the group, although Ehinger has a shot, but its full of solid depth at positions of need I would've liked to see an OLB prospect taken well ahead of Nicolas, but other than that I cant complain too much
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05-01-2016, 04:04 PM	#71
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5868993	http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...unds/83771600/ USA TODAY not a fan of our Draft. Kansas City Chiefs Grade: C- Analysis: This might be one of those classes that will look better in a couple years, since there wasn’t a single sexy pick that was a complete need-value fit. But Mississippi State DT Chris Jones gives the Chiefs more depth up front (and protection in case Dontari Poe winds up eventually leaving in free agency), and the Chiefs might have found a new backup for QB Alex Smith in Stanford’s Kevin Hogan. That pick is not good news for 2014 draft pick Aaron Murray. Oakland Raiders Grade: B- Analysis: The secondary still needed help, and Oakland got the draft’s best safety at No. 14 overall in West Virginia’s Karl Joseph. Moving up in the fourth round to draft Michigan State QB Connor Cook is a sign GM Reggie McKenzie hasn’t forgotten his Green Bay roots. While this isn’t an ideal situation for Cook, who will now be competing for a backup job, it’s a long-game move for the Raiders. Denver Broncos Grade: B+ Analysis: Give John Elway plenty of credit for the way he played this quarterback situation. Though a battle between Mark Sanchez and Memphis' Paxton Lynch, whom Denver traded up to No. 26 to select, is far from ideal for the defending Super Bowl champions, Lynch is a good long-term prospect and a far better bargain than any of the veterans the Broncos pursued. Denver also addressed needs on the second day with Georgia Tech DL Adam Gotsis and Boston College S Justin Simmons, helping fill voids left in free agency. San Diego Chargers Grade: C Analysis: Defensive coordinator John Pagano has to like this class, but how do you think QB Philip Rivers feels about it? The defense is now better and deeper, thanks a pair of Ohio State players in DE Joey Bosa and LB Joshua Perry. But other than drafting USC center Max Tuerk, the Chargers did little in the draft to improve their ability to protect Rivers.
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