Chiefs AFC west Draft Grades - Page 3

oaklandhater · 04-30-2016, 11:56 PM

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Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa receives his jersey from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after being selected by the San Diego Chargers with the third overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft on April 28, 2016 in Chicago. Photo by Brian Kersey/UPI | License Photo
Grading an NFL Draft immediately after it occurs is akin to giving your compliments to the chef based on the menu. It will take at least three years before we can truly assess how the 32 NFL teams fared this eekend. But waiting is no fun. As such, let's take a take at which teams appear to have done the best job of filling needs and building for the future via the seven rounds of the 2016 NFL draft.

AFC West Draft Grades: 2016 NFL Draft

Denver Broncos

You have to admire John Elway's aggression in trading up to nab Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch. The strong-armed and athletic passer is also a terrific schematic fit in Gary Kubiak's offense, which calls for lots of bootlegs and some of the quick screens that Lynch used so effectively with the Tigers. Lynch requires patience, however, which means that Mark Sanchez might be the starter for the Broncos in 2016. Patience could be the operative word with the rest of Denver's class, which featured several players coming off injury, including second-round defensive tackle Adam Gotsis (ACL) and running back Devontae Booker (meniscus). Third-round safety Justin Simmons might wind up making the most immediate impact for the Broncos, though Lynch, Gotsis and Booker all have legitimate starting talent, once ready. Of Denver's day three picks, athletic guard Connor McGovern stands out as a good schematic fit and punter Riley Dixon will be given every opportunity to make the roster.

Grade: B

Kansas City Chiefs

The Chiefs have won big with freakishly athletic big man Dontari Poe and general manager John Dorsey is hoping to duplicate that success with similarly long and agile defensive lineman Chris Jones, who can play or out in a three-man front. Offering similar versatility is Notre Dame's KeiVarae Russell, who could help at cornerback opposite last year's Rookie of the Year, Marcus Peters, or slip inside to play safety. Either way, Russell's athletic and physicality are NFL-caliber as is Minnesota corner Eric Murray, who popped off tape. Perhaps the most intriguing selection for the Chiefs, however, were wideouts Demarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill. Each come with character red flags, but Andy Reid's history as a player's coach and the leadership in the locker room in Kansas City could unlock their undeniable talent. Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan is going to make this roster as a fifth-round pick, taking the place of Chase Daniels as Alex Smith's primary backup.

Grade: B+

Oakland Raiders

The Raiders pulled of the major surprises of the first round with safety Karl Joseph at No. 14 overall. Joseph warranted this high of a pick, as he is a fierce hitter, with terrific ball skills and is the consummate locker room guy, but he is coming off a torn ACL, potentially impacting his ability to play right away. Oakland gambled up upside in the second round with former wide receiver and safety turned defensive lineman Jihad Ward, who really turned heads at the Senior Bowl. Third-rounder Shilique Calhoun was a three-time All-American defensive end at Michigan State. His burst, agility and refined hands could make him a very effective edge rusher in the NFL, too. Much will be made of the selection of Connor Cook in the fourth round. Rather than an indictment on youngster Derek Carr, this could be an example of Reggie McKenzie following in the footsteps of Ron Wolf in Green Bay, who was known for investing in young quarterbacks in the hopes of developing them and peddling them for future picks. Vadal Alexander's stock slip in 2015 because he played out of position at right tackle, but Oakland's seventh-round selection could prove a "surprise" if slid back inside at guard, where his lack of agility would be mitigated.

Grade: B

San Diego Chargers

Chargers general manager Tom Telesco fooled us all with pre-draft reports that the club was focusing on other players but instead taking the safer route with the pro-ready Joey Bosa at No. 3 overall. Bosa projected best as a traditional 4-3 defensive end, but it was his versatility, power and instincts that will be put to great use by defensive coordinator John Pagano. Expect to see Bosa line up wide as a stand-up rusher as well as drop down to a defensive end and even slip inside to defensive tackle on passing downs. He lacks the burst and bend most associate with a pick this high, but there is little bust factor with a player this polished. It is easy to be excited about San Diego's next three moves, as well, as the club found a true complement (and eventual replacement) for Antonio Gates with the sure-handed Hunter Henry in the second round, arguably the draft's most versatile offensive lineman in Southern Cal's Max Tuerk in the third and do-everything linebacker Joshua Perry, who was overshadowed a bit by all of the talent at Ohio State but could flourish in Pagano's scheme because of his length and power. Another versatile defender, Jatavis Brown -- a Combine snub -- could surprise, as well.

Grade: B+

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2016, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am so sick of how the Chiefs are managed compared to the Broncos.

The Broncos are able to mask their wants better, they're able to sign players cheaper and manage the cap better. It's very frustrating.

Go away, Voyager, forever.

You and your twice a day mock drafts are not missed.

**** off into the sunset.

Direckshun · 05-01-2016, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go away, Voyager, forever.

You and your twice a day mock drafts are not missed.

**** off into the sunset.

People aren't jumping the Donks in the draft. The Donks are jumping teams.

Paxton Lynch isn't Peyton Manning, but it's pretty telling that we both wanted Manning, and the Broncos get him. We allegedly both wanted Lynch, and the Broncos get him.

**wazu** · 05-01-2016, 01:54 AM

Can't grade a draft until five decades later when everyone is already fired and/or dead.

/CP

DenverChief · 05-01-2016, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu

Can't grade a draft until five decades later when everyone is already fired and/or dead.

/CP

You forgot the part about being classified top secret and requiring a FOIA request after 50 years but no guarantees.

Coochie liquor · 05-01-2016, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

People aren't jumping the Donks in the draft. The Donks are jumping teams.

Paxton Lynch isn't Peyton Manning, but it's pretty telling that we both wanted Manning, and the Broncos get him. We allegedly both wanted Lynch, and the Broncos get him.

The Dungkeys were jumping teams because their qb situation is ****ed. Guess what? It's still ****ed. They drafted a guy who prob shouldn't be starting for at least 2 years. He's gonna be sitting behind Dirty Sanchez who is not that good a qb. Our qb situation is much better (at least as far as starters go). We allegedly wanted Lynch, but nobody on this site actually knows what the thinking really was. if you're complaining about how they jumped teams to get their "guy" who hasn't proven anything yet and will likely ride the bench until he's thrown in the fire because Dungvers qb situation is horrid, then that just sounds like unwarranted complaining.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-01-2016, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am so sick of how the Chiefs are managed compared to the Broncos.

The Broncos are able to mask their wants better, they're able to sign players cheaper and manage the cap better. It's very frustrating.

Dumbass

they were desperate and moved up for a QB that may not even be able to play in this league. He's never read a defense, called plays, or played under center. KC decided they wanted no part of that and took a hung stud.

Direckshun · 05-01-2016, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

The Dungkeys were jumping teams because their qb situation is ****ed. Guess what? It's still ****ed. They drafted a guy who prob shouldn't be starting for at least 2 years. He's gonna be sitting behind Dirty Sanchez who is not that good a qb. Our qb situation is much better (at least as far as starters go). We allegedly wanted Lynch, but nobody on this site actually knows what the thinking really was. if you're complaining about how they jumped teams to get their "guy" who hasn't proven anything yet and will likely ride the bench until he's thrown in the fire because Dungvers qb situation is horrid, then that just sounds like unwarranted complaining.

They jumped teams to get a player they viewed as a franchise quarterback in the first round (which your hilariously reductive description universally defines).

Allegedly, if the Chiefs were going to take him at 28, or trade up to get him, they felt similarly. And simply put, they were less aggressive or felt the price was too high.

It's a ****ing franchise QB -- you usually have to spend to get one. And it's the most important position in sports.

Direckshun · 05-01-2016, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Dumbass

they were desperate and moved up for a QB that may not even be able to play in this league. He's never read a defense, called plays, or played under center. KC decided they wanted no part of that and took a hung stud.

*I'M* not the one saying we should have scooped up Lynch. The Chiefs allegedly were.

And they played passive to the Broncos' aggressive.

Elway gets his guy. The Chiefs cross their fingers and hope.

Coochie liquor · 05-01-2016, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

They jumped teams to get a player they viewed as a franchise quarterback in the first round (which your hilariously reductive description universally defines).

Allegedly, if the Chiefs were going to take him at 28, or trade up to get him, they felt similarly. And simply put, they were less aggressive or felt the price was too high.

It's a ****ing franchise QB -- you usually have to spend to get one. And it's the most important position in sports.

So a guy who has never taken a 5 or 7 step drop as qb is now a franchise qb?:shake Thry may have drafted the player you wanted, but fortunately for us Dorsey knows more about him than you do. We actually have a starting qb right now that can play at a high level. Lynch hasn't shown shit. Dungver has a history of not drafting great starting qbs, and it will continue with Lynch. God I can't believe you're calling him a franchise qb. He's a project at best at this point.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-01-2016, 06:49 AM

Lynch isn't a franchise QB...not even close. He's in the Geno Smith "I'M desperate as hell so he'll do camp". Huuuuge dropoff between backstreet boy and Goff.

Direckshun · 05-01-2016, 06:55 AM

I'm actually agnostic on Lynch. But if the Chiefs think a guy is a franchise QB, you and I better both hope they do what they need to do to bring him in.

**Rausch** · 05-01-2016, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I saw this draft as being nothing but depth additions so I can't give it much more than a C, but that's just me. I don't see a starter among the picks unless they boom instead of bust.

Same.

I could see our DT getting heavy PT as the season goes on and hopefully we use him to keep Poe fresh.

Our G should be able to win a starting job. We'll see what happens after that.

After that it was depth at WR and CB. I wish we would have went CB in round 2 and DT in 3 or later but...we'll see...

Mr. Laz · 05-01-2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Would you PLEASE stop posting unreadable horseshit?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What? You said not six hours ago that you "hated" the Russell selection because he wasn't Vonn Bell.

You're truly sick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Good ****ing grief.

I have no words for your massive, egregious dumbassery.

So don't come into this threads.

You have this borderline stalker obsession with attacking the OP's every post so just stop coming into his threads.

Dude, just calm down.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-01-2016, 07:16 AM

He's right though

**RealSNR** · 05-01-2016, 07:23 AM

Who the **** is Chase Daniels?

This guy is a national writer?

Does he know that Hogan will be the 3rd stringer?

04-30-2016, 11:56 PM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5848993	AFC west Draft Grades http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2...8291462064439/ 1 of 2 Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa receives his jersey from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after being selected by the San Diego Chargers with the third overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft on April 28, 2016 in Chicago. Photo by Brian Kersey/UPI \| License Photo Grading an NFL Draft immediately after it occurs is akin to giving your compliments to the chef based on the menu. It will take at least three years before we can truly assess how the 32 NFL teams fared this eekend. But waiting is no fun. As such, let's take a take at which teams appear to have done the best job of filling needs and building for the future via the seven rounds of the 2016 NFL draft. AFC West Draft Grades: 2016 NFL Draft Denver Broncos You have to admire John Elway's aggression in trading up to nab Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch. The strong-armed and athletic passer is also a terrific schematic fit in Gary Kubiak's offense, which calls for lots of bootlegs and some of the quick screens that Lynch used so effectively with the Tigers. Lynch requires patience, however, which means that Mark Sanchez might be the starter for the Broncos in 2016. Patience could be the operative word with the rest of Denver's class, which featured several players coming off injury, including second-round defensive tackle Adam Gotsis (ACL) and running back Devontae Booker (meniscus). Third-round safety Justin Simmons might wind up making the most immediate impact for the Broncos, though Lynch, Gotsis and Booker all have legitimate starting talent, once ready. Of Denver's day three picks, athletic guard Connor McGovern stands out as a good schematic fit and punter Riley Dixon will be given every opportunity to make the roster. Grade: B Kansas City Chiefs The Chiefs have won big with freakishly athletic big man Dontari Poe and general manager John Dorsey is hoping to duplicate that success with similarly long and agile defensive lineman Chris Jones, who can play or out in a three-man front. Offering similar versatility is Notre Dame's KeiVarae Russell, who could help at cornerback opposite last year's Rookie of the Year, Marcus Peters, or slip inside to play safety. Either way, Russell's athletic and physicality are NFL-caliber as is Minnesota corner Eric Murray, who popped off tape. Perhaps the most intriguing selection for the Chiefs, however, were wideouts Demarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill. Each come with character red flags, but Andy Reid's history as a player's coach and the leadership in the locker room in Kansas City could unlock their undeniable talent. Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan is going to make this roster as a fifth-round pick, taking the place of Chase Daniels as Alex Smith's primary backup. Grade: B+ Oakland Raiders The Raiders pulled of the major surprises of the first round with safety Karl Joseph at No. 14 overall. Joseph warranted this high of a pick, as he is a fierce hitter, with terrific ball skills and is the consummate locker room guy, but he is coming off a torn ACL, potentially impacting his ability to play right away. Oakland gambled up upside in the second round with former wide receiver and safety turned defensive lineman Jihad Ward, who really turned heads at the Senior Bowl. Third-rounder Shilique Calhoun was a three-time All-American defensive end at Michigan State. His burst, agility and refined hands could make him a very effective edge rusher in the NFL, too. Much will be made of the selection of Connor Cook in the fourth round. Rather than an indictment on youngster Derek Carr, this could be an example of Reggie McKenzie following in the footsteps of Ron Wolf in Green Bay, who was known for investing in young quarterbacks in the hopes of developing them and peddling them for future picks. Vadal Alexander's stock slip in 2015 because he played out of position at right tackle, but Oakland's seventh-round selection could prove a "surprise" if slid back inside at guard, where his lack of agility would be mitigated. Grade: B San Diego Chargers Chargers general manager Tom Telesco fooled us all with pre-draft reports that the club was focusing on other players but instead taking the safer route with the pro-ready Joey Bosa at No. 3 overall. Bosa projected best as a traditional 4-3 defensive end, but it was his versatility, power and instincts that will be put to great use by defensive coordinator John Pagano. Expect to see Bosa line up wide as a stand-up rusher as well as drop down to a defensive end and even slip inside to defensive tackle on passing downs. He lacks the burst and bend most associate with a pick this high, but there is little bust factor with a player this polished. It is easy to be excited about San Diego's next three moves, as well, as the club found a true complement (and eventual replacement) for Antonio Gates with the sure-handed Hunter Henry in the second round, arguably the draft's most versatile offensive lineman in Southern Cal's Max Tuerk in the third and do-everything linebacker Joshua Perry, who was overshadowed a bit by all of the talent at Ohio State but could flourish in Pagano's scheme because of his length and power. Another versatile defender, Jatavis Brown -- a Combine snub -- could surprise, as well. Grade: B+
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