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Old 12-06-2016, 09:14 AM  
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Please define "sustainable"
I guess I don't know what sustainable means anymore because I read it and hear it all the time that what we do is not sustainable?

If we win 20 out of 24 games, how is the formula of mitigating mistakes, forcing turnovers and being super efficient in red zone defense not sustainable?

We are 3-0 against the Raiders and 3-0 vs the Chargers in that stretch. We are 2-0 vs the broncos with this formula...

our losses @ Patriots, @ Texans when they had JJ watt, @ Pitt, and at home vs the Bucs. All division leaders (or tied) and playoff teams. We are built to win the division and make a playoff push with this formula...

It works.
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Old 12-07-2016, 05:02 PM   #106
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The question was asked earlier about takeaways in the 90's. Here is what I found on Kcchiefs.com

In 1999, Under Cunningham, Kansas City led the NFL with a +21 turnover ratio and won the NFL's turnover triple crown in the '90s with a remarkable +128 turnover ratio, a league-high 365 takeaways and an NFL-low 237 giveaways. The Chiefs also recorded 11 return TDs on the season, including a franchise-best nine on defense.
...and went on to win the Superbowl
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Old 12-07-2016, 05:09 PM   #107
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Well, yeah. Run-oriented offenses with QBs who weren't asked to do much but execute a conservative game plan week in and week out. That explains a high turnover differential.

I'm talking solely about takeaways. They seem to be much more fickle.

If anyone has the time to dig up those 90s Chiefs takeaway numbers then feel free..
A league high 365 takeaways by the Chiefs in the 90's. I call that sustainable. I don't know if there was a year that they didn't lead the league in turnovers for the entire decade. It's nit luck. It's what they practice. No way a team has enough luck to lead in takeaways for a decade.
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Old 12-07-2016, 06:48 PM   #108
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A league high 365 takeaways by the Chiefs in the 90's. I call that sustainable. I don't know if there was a year that they didn't lead the league in turnovers for the entire decade. It's nit luck. It's what they practice. No way a team has enough luck to lead in takeaways for a decade.
Yes, but those teams could stop the run and/or the pass. Third and long was deadly. Those defenses were feared. Not just because of a big play, but every down. They didn't give up 300 yard games. They didn't line up anyone like we are lining up across from Peters. They didn't get gashed on the ground. Big difference in the way those teams played.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:05 PM   #109
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Old 12-07-2016, 09:07 PM   #110
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A league high 365 takeaways by the Chiefs in the 90's. I call that sustainable. I don't know if there was a year that they didn't lead the league in turnovers for the entire decade.
And those teams went on to so much postseason success!

This formula was done better by Marty and it still didn't work.

This is the argument against all the Andy and Alex suckling.
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Old 12-07-2016, 09:53 PM   #111
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Not turning the ball over isn't random. We have a QB who plays safe and that leads to a low giveaway rate.

"Forcing" turnovers is another story.
Not when you have elite ball hawks in the secondary and stud pass rushers. Sure it's gonna deviate over a short season, but in the long haul...Uh oh
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And those teams went on to so much postseason success!

This formula was done better by Marty and it still didn't work.

This is the argument against all the Andy and Alex suckling.
You started the Hermines
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Old 12-07-2016, 11:33 PM   #113
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Not when you have elite ball hawks in the secondary and stud pass rushers. Sure it's gonna deviate over a short season, but in the long haul...Uh oh
Short season... like the playoffs?
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There isn't anything magical about the postseason. Plenty of teams have made runs feasting off TOs
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Old 12-07-2016, 11:49 PM   #115
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Teams do turn the ball over in the postseason. But it is hard to imagine getting more than a couple. For KC we need turnovers deep in the opponent territory for our conservative O to get some easy points. The current trend seems to be the opposite I.e. Getting turnovers in our red zone so the offense has to drive down the field to take full advantage. That's where my skepticism is from. Where the turnover occurs seems more critical for our offense. That Denver game never goes into OT if we take full advantage of the muffed punt. Momentum would have completely swung our way had we scored.
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A league high 365 takeaways by the Chiefs in the 90's. I call that sustainable. I don't know if there was a year that they didn't lead the league in turnovers for the entire decade. It's nit luck. It's what they practice. No way a team has enough luck to lead in takeaways for a decade.
1 takeaway because of a tipped pass
1 loss


How's that for sustainable
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