Chiefs Trade for Danielle Hunter? - Page 6

kcbubb · 02-23-2022, 10:23 PM

Price maybe a 2nd and 4th? Sounds too cheap?

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Two players for the Minnesota Vikings have chunky cap hits for the 2022 budget – Kirk Cousins and Danielle Hunter.

Cousins is a polarizing athlete, so the get-rid-of-him fodder is all over the internet. These are some teams Cousins might join if the Vikings actually trade their QB1. His $45 million cap hit is the obvious place to start for a team seeking to fix its underwater cap situation.

Trading Cousins would save $35 million in cap dollars for the 2022 season. New general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah may or may not trade Cousins. We shall see. When Minnesota rolled out its new head coach one week ago, it sure didn’t sound like Kevin O’Connell endorsed a Cousins trade.

Danielle Hunter
Dec 23, 2019; Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA; Minnesota Vikings defensive end Danielle Hunter. Mandatory Credit: Brace Hemmelgarn-USA TODAY Sports
Hunter is the other question mark. His cap hit in 2022 is $26 million, a steep figure for a player who missed 79% of all football games during the last two seasons. A healthy Hunter is a beastly productive player, setting the tone for a usually-good Vikings defense. Without Hunter, Minnesota’s defense stinks, guaranteed to collapse in the final two minutes of the 2nd Quarter and 4th Quarter. It’s like clockwork.

So, like Cousins, trading the expensive player elsewhere – Hunter, in this case – is on the docket for discussion. Should the Vikings invest megabucks in an EDGE rusher who plays 21% of the time? Probably not. However, Hunter’s injury history only began in 2020. Before that, he was durable.

Fans tend to believe Hunter would fetch a 1st-Round draft pick inside of a trade. The healthy version of the LSU alumnus probably would. Yet, per Pro Football Focus, the “1st-Round stuff” may be overstating value.

In an article by Brad Spielberger from Pro Football Focus detailing potential offseason trades, Hunter was sent to the Buffalo Bills – just like Stefon Diggs – for a substantially lower sum than 1st-Round draft capital.

Per Spielberger, Buffalo would send a 2nd-Rounder and 4th-Rounder to Minnesota for the 27-year-old Hunter. That trade package certainly isn’t insulting, but it is not the “1st-Rounder and change” some Vikings fans believe Hunter is worth. Spielberger wrote about the hypothetical trade:

“Hunter will still be just 27 years old in Week 1 of 2022 and is a force multiplier for any defense. The Bills used their first and second-round picks in 2021 on edge defenders Gregory Rousseau and Carlos Basham, but all three players can also kick inside and line up opposite guards. Hunter could be the final piece that puts the Bills’ roster over the edge. Last but not least, a reunion with former Vikings wide receiver Stefon Diggs could help ease the transition for Hunter to a new franchise. However, it could be too hard for Adofo-Mensah to “sell low” on an elite pass-rusher.”
Brad Spielberger | Pro Football Focus
It is unclear who is more likely to be traded, Cousins or Hunter. Cousins is durable. Hunter has been the antithesis of durable as of late. To a QB-needy team, Cousins likely commands a 1st-Rounder simply because his position is considered “more important” than the defensive line.

But if Hunter is the one traded, it is not a no-brainer for his trade value to send a 1st-Round pick in exchange to the Vikings. The conversation needs adjustment. To date, trading Hunter is perceived through a lens of snagging a 1st-Round draft choice – sometimes in the Top 10 spots.

Hunter is a fantastic football player who will spend 2022 trying to prove his injury maladies were outliers. If he departs the Vikings, a 1st-Rounder is not the bottom shelf for his trade value. Adjust your expectations.

neech · 02-24-2022, 11:03 PM

Danielle sounds like a female name to me.

Hard pass.

Dunerdr · 02-25-2022, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This draft is super deep at Edge and very deep at WR and DB as well.

That 2nd round pick, regardless of how late it is in the round, could be for the DL what Bolton or Humphrey were last year.

You could get a 4-year starter there for a fraction of the cost of a guy with an injury history.

You could go the FA route and then draft and get two guys (or more) for the price of Hunter.

It's a flat out bad idea.

Like i said earlier, i have not familiarized myself with the draft class as much as normal. I may completely change my mind when i get out of my football funk.

kcbubb · 02-25-2022, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This draft is super deep at Edge and very deep at WR and DB as well.

That 2nd round pick, regardless of how late it is in the round, could be for the DL what Bolton or Humphrey were last year.

You could get a 4-year starter there for a fraction of the cost of a guy with an injury history.

You could go the FA route and then draft and get two guys (or more) for the price of Hunter.

It's a flat out bad idea.

No, it’s not a bad idea. Anyone we pick in the draft may not develop. And even if our draft picks do develop, it make take a year or two be impactful. How many rookie defensive lineman are impactful in their rookie seasons? Production from a rookie dlineman is rare, especially where we pick from. The next two seasons are too important to trust rookies or middle tier free agents (which is what you’re proposing) to come in and make a difference. We invested in thuney last year, big time. And again with brown at LT. We need the same kind of investment in the defensive line this offseason.

kcbubb · 02-25-2022, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by neech

Danielle sounds like a female name to me.

Hard pass.

Jewish Rabbi · 02-25-2022, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I don’t think anyone makes fun of his name to his face.

Why not?

kcbubb · 02-25-2022, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Why not?

https://youtu.be/As5Aix9Vflk

https://youtu.be/uMjp2CbXVt4

ChiefBlueCFC · 02-25-2022, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Is it pronounced

Dah-Neal

or

Dan-Yell

Coworker is a Vikings fan and always pronounces it Dah-neal so that's probably what it is, but he's also an idiot

kcbubb · 02-25-2022, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

You aren't getting an elite and established pass rusher in his prime for a 2nd and 4th lmao.

I agree. But the circumstances of the vikes changing defense to a 3-4, his injuries, vikes depth and the salary cap could make him cheaper. I’d trade our 1st for him if he passes physicals and get hunter and a 5th this year and a conditional 2nd or 3rd next year depending on how much he plays.

He’d be our best DE since Justin Houston and should be healthy. He played great after the neck injury and is young and the pectoral injury is not a future risk. I remember when I got killed for wanting to trade Justin Houston in his prime but somehow trading for someone that’s similar to Houston in sack production is a terrible idea? He’s a top 4 DE. TJ Watt, Garrett, Bosa and Hunter. Maybe even Hunter over Bosa if he passes the physical. It’s at least debatable. Hunter is the youngest player ever to 50 sacks. You don’t ever get a chance to get a DE like this.

Dunerdr · 02-25-2022, 11:12 AM

I would like to change my stance to pro draft now that ive ended up on the same hill as KCBUBB. You win htismaqe.

kcbubb · 02-25-2022, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I would like to change my stance to pro draft now that ive ended up on the same hill as KCBUBB. You win htismaqe.

Lol…. I’m right about as often as he is. We are all hit and miss.

htismaqe · 02-25-2022, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Lol…. I’m right about as often as he is. We are all hit and miss.

It's not about being right or wrong, especially in hindsight.

It's about coming up with ideas. And most of your ideas involve trading away premium picks for guys with injuries.

Definitely I'm wrong as much as I'm right, if not more. But I also don't make threads about bad ideas and try to sell them as good ones.

htismaqe · 02-25-2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

No, it’s not a bad idea. Anyone we pick in the draft may not develop. And even if our draft picks do develop, it make take a year or two be impactful. How many rookie defensive lineman are impactful in their rookie seasons? Production from a rookie dlineman is rare, especially where we pick from. The next two seasons are too important to trust rookies or middle tier free agents (which is what you’re proposing) to come in and make a difference. We invested in thuney last year, big time. And again with brown at LT. We need the same kind of investment in the defensive line this offseason.

Neither Brown nor Thuney had a neck injury.

Every season is too important to trust to a guy with a past neck injury.

It's like people don't watch and learn from what happens in the past.

kcbubb · 02-25-2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not about being right or wrong, especially in hindsight.

It's about coming up with ideas. And most of your ideas involve trading away premium picks for guys with injuries.

Definitely I'm wrong as much as I'm right, if not more. But I also don't make threads about bad ideas and try to sell them as good ones.

Let’s assume that Hunter is now 100% recovered and healthy with no greater chance of injury than anyone else. Would you be for trading for Hunter in that circumstance?

htismaqe · 02-25-2022, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Let’s assume that Hunter is now 100% recovered and healthy with no greater chance of injury than anyone else. Would you be for trading for Hunter in that circumstance?

You can't assume that. Neck and back injuries never go away.

Name one player who had a neck or back injury and was the same after. It ended Ford's career. It ended Mitchell Schwartz' career. Peyton Manning was never the same. I could go on and on and on.

There is zero chance he's "healthy with no greater chance of injury than anyone else". He had a NECK injury. He'll always have a greater chance of injury from here on out.

kcbubb · 02-25-2022, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You can't assume that. Neck and back injuries never go away.

Name one player who had a neck or back injury and was the same after. It ended Ford's career. It ended Mitchell Schwartz' career. Peyton Manning was never the same. I could go on and on and on.

There is zero chance he's "healthy with no greater chance of injury than anyone else". He had a NECK injury. He'll always have a greater chance of injury from here on out.

Ok. If hunter didn’t injure his neck, say just his pectoral, would you be for trading for him? I’m just trying to understand how you look at it.

02-23-2022, 10:23 PM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5156719	Trade for Danielle Hunter? Price maybe a 2nd and 4th? Sounds too cheap? https://vikingsterritory.com/2022/ge...edium=facebook Two players for the Minnesota Vikings have chunky cap hits for the 2022 budget – Kirk Cousins and Danielle Hunter. Cousins is a polarizing athlete, so the get-rid-of-him fodder is all over the internet. These are some teams Cousins might join if the Vikings actually trade their QB1. His $45 million cap hit is the obvious place to start for a team seeking to fix its underwater cap situation. Trading Cousins would save $35 million in cap dollars for the 2022 season. New general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah may or may not trade Cousins. We shall see. When Minnesota rolled out its new head coach one week ago, it sure didn’t sound like Kevin O’Connell endorsed a Cousins trade. Danielle Hunter Dec 23, 2019; Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA; Minnesota Vikings defensive end Danielle Hunter. Mandatory Credit: Brace Hemmelgarn-USA TODAY Sports Hunter is the other question mark. His cap hit in 2022 is $26 million, a steep figure for a player who missed 79% of all football games during the last two seasons. A healthy Hunter is a beastly productive player, setting the tone for a usually-good Vikings defense. Without Hunter, Minnesota’s defense stinks, guaranteed to collapse in the final two minutes of the 2nd Quarter and 4th Quarter. It’s like clockwork. So, like Cousins, trading the expensive player elsewhere – Hunter, in this case – is on the docket for discussion. Should the Vikings invest megabucks in an EDGE rusher who plays 21% of the time? Probably not. However, Hunter’s injury history only began in 2020. Before that, he was durable. Fans tend to believe Hunter would fetch a 1st-Round draft pick inside of a trade. The healthy version of the LSU alumnus probably would. Yet, per Pro Football Focus, the “1st-Round stuff” may be overstating value. In an article by Brad Spielberger from Pro Football Focus detailing potential offseason trades, Hunter was sent to the Buffalo Bills – just like Stefon Diggs – for a substantially lower sum than 1st-Round draft capital. Per Spielberger, Buffalo would send a 2nd-Rounder and 4th-Rounder to Minnesota for the 27-year-old Hunter. That trade package certainly isn’t insulting, but it is not the “1st-Rounder and change” some Vikings fans believe Hunter is worth. Spielberger wrote about the hypothetical trade: “Hunter will still be just 27 years old in Week 1 of 2022 and is a force multiplier for any defense. The Bills used their first and second-round picks in 2021 on edge defenders Gregory Rousseau and Carlos Basham, but all three players can also kick inside and line up opposite guards. Hunter could be the final piece that puts the Bills’ roster over the edge. Last but not least, a reunion with former Vikings wide receiver Stefon Diggs could help ease the transition for Hunter to a new franchise. However, it could be too hard for Adofo-Mensah to “sell low” on an elite pass-rusher.” Brad Spielberger \| Pro Football Focus It is unclear who is more likely to be traded, Cousins or Hunter. Cousins is durable. Hunter has been the antithesis of durable as of late. To a QB-needy team, Cousins likely commands a 1st-Rounder simply because his position is considered “more important” than the defensive line. But if Hunter is the one traded, it is not a no-brainer for his trade value to send a 1st-Round pick in exchange to the Vikings. The conversation needs adjustment. To date, trading Hunter is perceived through a lens of snagging a 1st-Round draft choice – sometimes in the Top 10 spots. Hunter is a fantastic football player who will spend 2022 trying to prove his injury maladies were outliers. If he departs the Vikings, a 1st-Rounder is not the bottom shelf for his trade value. Adjust your expectations.
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