A Question for all that want DE with 1st pick - Page 2

Kclee · 12-23-2004, 11:14 AM

I must be missing something and need enlightenment. I think Allen starts and Holliday will be gone. And didn't we just sign Hicks? The coaches love him. Believe me, I would love to draft stud DE first, but do you think they will bench Hicks? Or even bench Allen, who will most likely break DT's sack record? I guess I just don't see the coaches doing that. But alot of people are thinking DE, so enlighten me please.

el borracho · 12-23-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

RDE is where they want us to go. Replace Hicks with a more aggressive pass-rusher.

Heck, we could have done that THIS year... instead of resigning Hicks we could have kept Truluck.

Yep.

el borracho · 12-23-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Uh - Hicks blows?

Does that answer your question?

Yepper.

el borracho · 12-23-2004, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Hicks needs to be replaced, period.

Yep.

el borracho · 12-23-2004, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

At a minimum, Holliday must be replaced as part of the normal rotation. That means a DE in the 1st or 2nd round (unless we get one in free agency).

Given where we may be drafting now, DE may be the best value on the board (or it could be CB). Erasmus James or Spears might be on the board when we draft. Of course Carlos Rogers or the CB from Michigan may be as well.

In a nutshell, we need to get 2 CBs, 2 LBs, and 1 DE in Free Agency and the 1st 2 rounds of the draft. Which happens where is really irrelavent to me.

Again, yep.

el borracho · 12-23-2004, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Allen has RDE locked up and Hicks probably has LDE locked up to start the season but the way we rotate linemen we could draft a DE who has more pass rush then Hicks and play him on 3rd downs until he's ready to start. IMO our biggest problem is 3rd down. If we could improve our 3rd down pass rush it should help our D a bunch.

PhilFree

Once more, yep.

NaptownChief · 12-23-2004, 12:20 PM

If Hicks has anything at all locked up especially a starting job then our coaching staff is dumber than a bag of hammers.

shaneo69 · 12-23-2004, 12:28 PM

I hate the argument that people are using against taking a CB with our first pick, just because of the "new rules." If you saw the play that Chump Bailey made against Kennison when it was 3rd and about 10, Kennison caught an 8 yard pass on a crossing pattern and looked to have an easy first down, but Bailey tackled him immediately before he could turn it upfield, that was an example of what a "very good" CB can do for a defense. And I haven't seen many more defensive holding calls made this year, due to the "new rules."

On the other hand, the biggest thing I see refs calling now is "Roughing the QB", and in most cases, it's a joke. But you wouldn't say that we shouldn't take a DE with our first pick just because of the way the refs are calling roughing the passer, so similarly, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of taking a CB either.

**Saulbadguy** · 12-23-2004, 12:35 PM

I want a OLB with our first pick.

We are going to have a second year anchoring the LDE side. I'd like to have a veteran on the other side. Preferably not Eric Hicks, but I guess I could live with him.

Here is a question: If teams start to double team Jared Allen, will it open up more of a pass rush for our DT's and Eric Hicks?

As far as getting a more aggressive pass rusher, I'm more concerned with run support out of the DE position, as I think Jared Allen will be our pass rusher.

el borracho · 12-23-2004, 12:37 PM

Saulbadguy,

Please shrink your sig.

Gaz · 12-23-2004, 12:48 PM

Our needs are MLB, OLB, DE and CB. Of the three, it seems to me that DE is the position where a drafted player can contribute immediately. That gives DE a slight advantage, followed by OLB. But we should take the best player available at any of these [4] positions.

xoxo~
Gaz
Figures everyone will be surprised when the actual pick is made.

NaptownChief · 12-23-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Figures everyone will be surprised when the actual pick is made.

Surprised if not shocked....What wouldn't shock me would be a WR is Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards were available...That would probably get a big uproar out of many.

Gaz · 12-23-2004, 12:54 PM

WR would not be a wretched pick. We could use a good #1 WR.

xoxo~
Gaz
Just hopes it is not a Safety.

NaptownChief · 12-23-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

WR would not be a wretched pick. We could use a good #1 WR.

xoxo~
Gaz
Just hopes it is not a Safety.

We really do need a quality #1 WR but this year again proved we can get by without it more so than getting by without plugging the defensive holes.

Had they taken Kerry Colbert in the 2nd round instead of Wilson we would have been dial in on offense and could have spent all of our picks and focus on defense. If's and but's are ok this time of year cause there is candy and nuts all over my house at the moment.

brent102fire · 12-23-2004, 01:21 PM

The Chiefs need a CB, a MLB, an OLB if Barber can not return to form and another DE to eventually take over for Hicks. I don't care where they get them from, but I think the 1st rounder should be a MLB. That way, Woods and Wesley won't have to play LB too(like they have been doing all year).

Thig Lyfe · 12-23-2004, 01:30 PM

I really would like a stronger DE from the draft. But then we'd be wasting the money on that 7 year contract for Hicks more than we already are. If they can figure out a way to get around that contract I'd love Erasmus James or that guy from Boston College, Kiwikiwaka.

12-23-2004, 11:14 AM
Kclee Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Casino cash: $10014147	A Question for all that want DE with 1st pick I must be missing something and need enlightenment. I think Allen starts and Holliday will be gone. And didn't we just sign Hicks? The coaches love him. Believe me, I would love to draft stud DE first, but do you think they will bench Hicks? Or even bench Allen, who will most likely break DT's sack record? I guess I just don't see the coaches doing that. But alot of people are thinking DE, so enlighten me please.
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12-23-2004, 12:20 PM	#21
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12-23-2004, 12:28 PM	#22
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	I hate the argument that people are using against taking a CB with our first pick, just because of the "new rules." If you saw the play that Chump Bailey made against Kennison when it was 3rd and about 10, Kennison caught an 8 yard pass on a crossing pattern and looked to have an easy first down, but Bailey tackled him immediately before he could turn it upfield, that was an example of what a "very good" CB can do for a defense. And I haven't seen many more defensive holding calls made this year, due to the "new rules." On the other hand, the biggest thing I see refs calling now is "Roughing the QB", and in most cases, it's a joke. But you wouldn't say that we shouldn't take a DE with our first pick just because of the way the refs are calling roughing the passer, so similarly, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of taking a CB either.
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12-23-2004, 12:35 PM	#23
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	I want a OLB with our first pick. We are going to have a second year anchoring the LDE side. I'd like to have a veteran on the other side. Preferably not Eric Hicks, but I guess I could live with him. Here is a question: If teams start to double team Jared Allen, will it open up more of a pass rush for our DT's and Eric Hicks? As far as getting a more aggressive pass rusher, I'm more concerned with run support out of the DE position, as I think Jared Allen will be our pass rusher. __________________ http://www.goemaw.com
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12-23-2004, 12:37 PM	#24
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2719148	Saulbadguy, Please shrink your sig.
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12-23-2004, 12:48 PM	#25
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	So many hole, so few picks... Our needs are MLB, OLB, DE and CB. Of the three, it seems to me that DE is the position where a drafted player can contribute immediately. That gives DE a slight advantage, followed by OLB. But we should take the best player available at any of these [4] positions. xoxo~ Gaz Figures everyone will be surprised when the actual pick is made.
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12-23-2004, 12:54 PM	#27
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	I could live with that... WR would not be a wretched pick. We could use a good #1 WR. xoxo~ Gaz Just hopes it is not a Safety.
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12-23-2004, 01:21 PM	#29
brent102fire Perfection Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ladera Ranch, CA Casino cash: $10004900	The Chiefs need a CB, a MLB, an OLB if Barber can not return to form and another DE to eventually take over for Hicks. I don't care where they get them from, but I think the 1st rounder should be a MLB. That way, Woods and Wesley won't have to play LB too(like they have been doing all year). __________________ "Ladies and Gentlemen of the supposed jury, Charlie Sheen is innocent because Chewbacca is from Kishic."-Johnny Cochran
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12-23-2004, 01:30 PM	#30
Thig Lyfe Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Thigpen's America Casino cash: $10004900	I really would like a stronger DE from the draft. But then we'd be wasting the money on that 7 year contract for Hicks more than we already are. If they can figure out a way to get around that contract I'd love Erasmus James or that guy from Boston College, Kiwikiwaka.
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