Should we still draft any of these LBs?

Frankie · 03-10-2005, 02:00 PM

That's if we do sign Hartwell.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8273061

1. Derrick Johnson, Texas, Outside

Positives: Speed, play-making ability, ball skills, instincts, ability to diagnose plays, tackling, height (6-foot-3), long arms … He is not only the best linebacker in the draft, but the best defensive player in the entire college crop, and his game-changing impact should make him a top-five pick.

Negatives: Handling running plays directed straight at him, upper-body strength.

2. Shawne Merriman, Maryland, Outside (underclassman)

Positives: Size (6-4, 272 pounds), pass-rushing, instincts, intensity, leaping ability, open-field tackling, outside run stopping … Although he surprised more than a few player personnel evaluators by electing not to work out at the National Scouting Combine, Merriman still offers enough elite talent as a pass rusher to be selected in the middle of the first round.

Negatives: Hand placement, ability to gain leverage on offensive linemen, vulnerability to play action.

3. Darryl Blackstock, Virginia, Outside (underclassman)

Positives: Initial quickness, change-of-direction skills, intensity, discipline, recognition skills … His talent is good enough for him to become a low first-round choice or early second-rounder.

Negatives: Lower-body strength, ability to gain separation from blockers, overall technique against the run.

4. Channing Crowder, Florida, Inside (underclassman)

Positives: Man-to-man coverage of running backs, intensity, instincts, big-hitting ability … He is very raw and probably should have remained in college for one more season to fully develop his skills, yet he does have the talent to likely become a second-round choice.

5. Kevin Burnett, Tennessee, Outside

Positives: Size (6-2, 239 pounds), speed, athleticism, man-to-man coverage of running backs, tackling … His stock didn’t suffer because of the calf injury that prevented him from working out at the combine; he should be a solid second-rounder.

Negatives: Recognition skills, closing speed as a pass rusher.

I'd vote NO. Although I wouldn't mind spending a lower round dc on Lofa wutzizname from SC. What round do you think he will go in the draft?

Mr. Laz · 03-10-2005, 02:03 PM

if certain guys fall to us we should grab them regardless ... johnson is one of those.

Braylon Edwards WR 6-3, 210 Michigan
Antrel Rolle CB 6-1, 205 Miami
Derrick Johnson LB 6-3, 242 Texas

after that, no ... we draft cornerbacks on day 1

Gaz · 03-10-2005, 02:06 PM

While Hartwell may be wishful thinking, Johnson at #15 is pure fantasy. Not gonna happen, so stop teasing me, please.

If we get Hartwell, draft Rodgers at #15 and the best CB remaining in the 2nd.

xoxo~
Gaz
Would still want a veteran FA CB [after June 1st cuts?].

Cormac · 03-10-2005, 02:10 PM

If we sign Hartwell, we wouldn't need another LB. We'd have a full complement of young LBs. In that case, we should look at CB/DE in the first, and the reverse in the 2nd round. JMO.

Frankie · 03-10-2005, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

If we get Hartwell, draft Rodgers at #15 and the best CB remaining in the 2nd.

xoxo~
Gaz
Would still want a veteran FA CB [after June 1st cuts?].

1- Carlos Rogers
2- Eric Green

That would be something. Wouldn't it?

Mile High Mania · 03-10-2005, 02:14 PM

You can never have too many solid LBs... that's Bowlen's mantra anyway.

DJ will be gone well before you guys draft.

I think the draft should work in a manner in which you have your options slotted where you pick and if they're available, go for it. However, if some gifted player falls to you and while he may not be of need, but he's better than what you were looking at.. you have to take him.

ChiefsOne · 03-10-2005, 02:16 PM

If Johnson fell to us, you have to draft him. Players with that much potential don't come around that often.

Hoover · 03-10-2005, 02:17 PM

If we get another starting LB in FA, I say draft a DE in the first, and go CB in the 2nd.

HolmeZz · 03-10-2005, 02:17 PM

Only if we lost Fujita.

Mr. Laz · 03-10-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

1- Carlos Rogers
2- Eric Green

That would be something. Wouldn't it?

i see you've been reading from the Book of Lazarus

well done, my son

go forth, be fruitful and multiply

HolmeZz · 03-10-2005, 02:23 PM

Dunno where this love affair with Eric Green started. I did get to watch a pretty good amount of Va Tech's games, and although Green looked like a pretty good corner, I don't see him stepping in day 1 and making an impact.

whoman69 · 03-10-2005, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Only if we lost Fujita.

No I have to agree with Hoov, if he is there, you have to take him and then consider trading Fuji.

Frankie · 03-10-2005, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Dunno where this love affair with Eric Green started. I did get to watch a pretty good amount of Va Tech's games, and although Green looked like a pretty good corner, he's not going to step in day 1 and make an impact.

If Rogers does, We can afford to bring Green up slowly. Bodes well for the future.

whoman69 · 03-10-2005, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

i see you've been reading from the Book of Lazarus

well done, my son

go forth, be fruitful and multiply

This is Frankie we're talking about. Do you know what you're saying?

HolmeZz · 03-10-2005, 02:31 PM

I could understand that, but it sounds like people want to throw him right into the mix off the bat. If you want to slowly bring a corner up, I think Webster would be the better 2nd round pick. He's much more athletic than Green and has a lot more potential.

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Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Should we still draft any of these LBs? That's if we do sign Hartwell. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8273061 1. Derrick Johnson, Texas, Outside Positives: Speed, play-making ability, ball skills, instincts, ability to diagnose plays, tackling, height (6-foot-3), long arms … He is not only the best linebacker in the draft, but the best defensive player in the entire college crop, and his game-changing impact should make him a top-five pick. Negatives: Handling running plays directed straight at him, upper-body strength. 2. Shawne Merriman, Maryland, Outside (underclassman) Positives: Size (6-4, 272 pounds), pass-rushing, instincts, intensity, leaping ability, open-field tackling, outside run stopping … Although he surprised more than a few player personnel evaluators by electing not to work out at the National Scouting Combine, Merriman still offers enough elite talent as a pass rusher to be selected in the middle of the first round. Negatives: Hand placement, ability to gain leverage on offensive linemen, vulnerability to play action. 3. Darryl Blackstock, Virginia, Outside (underclassman) Positives: Initial quickness, change-of-direction skills, intensity, discipline, recognition skills … His talent is good enough for him to become a low first-round choice or early second-rounder. Negatives: Lower-body strength, ability to gain separation from blockers, overall technique against the run. 4. Channing Crowder, Florida, Inside (underclassman) Positives: Man-to-man coverage of running backs, intensity, instincts, big-hitting ability … He is very raw and probably should have remained in college for one more season to fully develop his skills, yet he does have the talent to likely become a second-round choice. 5. Kevin Burnett, Tennessee, Outside Positives: Size (6-2, 239 pounds), speed, athleticism, man-to-man coverage of running backs, tackling … His stock didn’t suffer because of the calf injury that prevented him from working out at the combine; he should be a solid second-rounder. Negatives: Recognition skills, closing speed as a pass rusher. I'd vote NO. Although I wouldn't mind spending a lower round dc on Lofa wutzizname from SC. What round do you think he will go in the draft?
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03-10-2005, 02:03 PM	#2
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	if certain guys fall to us we should grab them regardless ... johnson is one of those. Braylon Edwards WR 6-3, 210 Michigan Antrel Rolle CB 6-1, 205 Miami Derrick Johnson LB 6-3, 242 Texas after that, no ... we draft cornerbacks on day 1
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03-10-2005, 02:06 PM	#3
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Gotta go with no... While Hartwell may be wishful thinking, Johnson at #15 is pure fantasy. Not gonna happen, so stop teasing me, please. If we get Hartwell, draft Rodgers at #15 and the best CB remaining in the 2nd. xoxo~ Gaz Would still want a veteran FA CB [after June 1st cuts?].
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03-10-2005, 02:10 PM	#4
Cormac Haley sceptic.... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: waiting it out....... Casino cash: $10004900	If we sign Hartwell, we wouldn't need another LB. We'd have a full complement of young LBs. In that case, we should look at CB/DE in the first, and the reverse in the 2nd round. JMO.
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03-10-2005, 02:14 PM	#6
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3457229	You can never have too many solid LBs... that's Bowlen's mantra anyway. DJ will be gone well before you guys draft. I think the draft should work in a manner in which you have your options slotted where you pick and if they're available, go for it. However, if some gifted player falls to you and while he may not be of need, but he's better than what you were looking at.. you have to take him. __________________
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ChiefsOne Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $6468192	If Johnson fell to us, you have to draft him. Players with that much potential don't come around that often.
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1398179	If we get another starting LB in FA, I say draft a DE in the first, and go CB in the 2nd.
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HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Only if we lost Fujita.
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03-10-2005, 02:23 PM	#11
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Dunno where this love affair with Eric Green started. I did get to watch a pretty good amount of Va Tech's games, and although Green looked like a pretty good corner, I don't see him stepping in day 1 and making an impact.
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03-10-2005, 02:31 PM	#15
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	I could understand that, but it sounds like people want to throw him right into the mix off the bat. If you want to slowly bring a corner up, I think Webster would be the better 2nd round pick. He's much more athletic than Green and has a lot more potential.
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