All Star Snubs...

Carlota69 · 07-01-2007, 01:26 PM

Which Snub disgusts you the most?

Mine is Orlando Cabrera--SS--LA Angels.

Not only is he not going to start the AS Game, but he may not even be there. His numbers at the plate are equal if not better than Jeters'.

OC--Avg...338 5 HR OBP .835 RBI 48
Jeter Avg...335 5 HR OBP .408 RBI 38

Fielding

OC --.998 4 errors (#1 in the league)

Jeter--.966 12 errors

I'm so irritated by the voting process and all these talking heads saying that Jeter should be the starter...

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-01-2007, 01:27 PM

****ing popularity contests!

CoMoChief · 07-01-2007, 01:27 PM

Every all star game in virtually any sport is a popularity contest.

chagrin · 07-01-2007, 01:32 PM

Good call on the stats, Carlota - When was the last year Jeter actually deserved his spot I wonder?

Carlota69 · 07-01-2007, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chagrin

Good call on the stats, Carlota - When was the last year Jeter actually deserved his spot I wonder?

Looks like 2002 was his last year of "greatness"...I guess people could argue 2003--but this year--he's pretty bad in the field and decent at the plate, but certainly not All-Star worthy.

bdeg · 07-01-2007, 01:40 PM

Cabrera's OBP seems a little off...

*it's 379

Carlota69 · 07-01-2007, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

Cabrera's OBP seems a little off...

*it's 379

Your right...The Angels Gameday stats are Dyslexic...380 OBP--

Valiant · 07-01-2007, 02:26 PM

Thats why I think fans and sports announcers should not be able to vote period.. They are biased and ignorant most of the time.. Most of the East/West Coast bias never even looks the other way let alone the Midwest..

It should basically go over who has the best stats period for offensive players.. Defense gets a little more leeway (say for pitchers who don't get wins because their offense sucks)

HolmeZz · 07-01-2007, 02:34 PM

Guillen should be starting at short.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-01-2007, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Guillen should be starting at short.

Agreed.

Then again, I quit watching the ASG when it began determining HFA for the World Series.

If fans are voting, it should be an exhibition, nothing more.

If MLB wants some meaning behind it, the Managers of each league should have 100% power building a roster.

kcxiv · 07-01-2007, 03:13 PM

Jeter is a good player, but he will just get in from here on out on popularity. There are younger players that sure deserve to go thats for sure. It really sucks that all-star/probowl games are like that. I understand why though.

POND_OF_RED · 07-01-2007, 03:17 PM

Aramis Ramirez was fifth in votes by a long shot at 3rd base even though he has better numbers than David Wright who looks like he is going to walk away with the starting spot.
Ramirez: 15 HR 47RBI .306 avg .354 OBP .566 SLG
Wright: 14HR 44RBI .288 avg .378 OBP .505 SLG
It should also be noted that he has played 17 less games as well or else Wright would't even be close to the RBI and HR totals.
I do not however think Ramirez is being snubbed completely...just being snubbed by the wrong guy. Miquel Cabrera has 57RBI 17HR and a .328 avg.
Also how is Rolen even on the list? Something about this needs to be fixed. I do believe the west conferences have a lot of players miss for the fact that there games are on too late for a lot of fans to even care about if your favorite team isn't in those conferences. I never pay attention to the west coast unless a team from the central divisions are playing out there.

KevB · 07-01-2007, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEA_OF_RED

Aramis Ramirez was fifth in votes by a long shot at 3rd base even though he has better numbers than David Wright who looks like he is going to walk away with the starting spot.
Ramirez: 15 HR 47RBI .306 avg .354 OBP .566 SLG
Wright: 14HR 44RBI .288 avg .378 OBP .505 SLG
It should also be noted that he has played 17 less games as well or else Wright would't even be close to the RBI and HR totals.
I do not however think Ramirez is being snubbed completely...just being snubbed by the wrong guy. Miquel Cabrera has 57RBI 17HR and a .328 avg.
Also how is Rolen even on the list? Something about this needs to be fixed. I do believe the west conferences have a lot of players miss for the fact that there games are on too late for a lot of fans to even care about if your favorite team isn't in those conferences. I never pay attention to the west coast unless a team from the central divisions are playing out there.

Wright also has 17 SBs. He plays for a top National League team. I actually think the timing of Aramis' injury hurt him....out of sight, out of mind.

Eleazar · 07-01-2007, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlota69

Looks like 2002 was his last year of "greatness"...I guess people could argue 2003--but this year--he's pretty bad in the field and decent at the plate, but certainly not All-Star worthy.

Jeter is bad in the field? He won the gold glove at shortstop each of the last 3 seasons.

POND_OF_RED · 07-01-2007, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB

Wright also has 17 SBs. He plays for a top National League team. I actually think the timing of Aramis' injury hurt him....out of sight, out of mind.

I believe Wright is a good player don't get me wrong but he seemed to walk away with the votes all year although he has the 3rd best numbers of 3B. Being on a top NL team might help but his votes didn't fall much when they went on the dreadful start of June.

07-01-2007, 01:26 PM
Carlota69 MVP Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Casino cash: $9925282	All Star Snubs... Which Snub disgusts you the most? Mine is Orlando Cabrera--SS--LA Angels. Not only is he not going to start the AS Game, but he may not even be there. His numbers at the plate are equal if not better than Jeters'. OC--Avg...338 5 HR OBP .835 RBI 48 Jeter Avg...335 5 HR OBP .408 RBI 38 Fielding OC --.998 4 errors (#1 in the league) Jeter--.966 12 errors I'm so irritated by the voting process and all these talking heads saying that Jeter should be the starter...
Posts: 6,592

07-01-2007, 01:27 PM	#2
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	****ing popularity contests! __________________ 2015 Adopt-a-Chief: Tamba Hali
Posts: 59,997

07-01-2007, 01:27 PM	#3
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7972254	Every all star game in virtually any sport is a popularity contest. __________________
Posts: 39,174

07-01-2007, 01:32 PM	#4
chagrin Giggitty! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missoula, Mt Casino cash: $9894905	Good call on the stats, Carlota - When was the last year Jeter actually deserved his spot I wonder? __________________ Times have changed, so have I, things are better now.
Posts: 13,395

07-01-2007, 01:40 PM	#6
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Cabrera's OBP seems a little off... *it's 379
Posts: 2,987

07-01-2007, 02:26 PM	#8
Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6102380	Thats why I think fans and sports announcers should not be able to vote period.. They are biased and ignorant most of the time.. Most of the East/West Coast bias never even looks the other way let alone the Midwest.. It should basically go over who has the best stats period for offensive players.. Defense gets a little more leeway (say for pitchers who don't get wins because their offense sucks)
Posts: 18,395

07-01-2007, 02:34 PM	#9
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Guillen should be starting at short.
Posts: 16,520

07-01-2007, 03:13 PM	#11
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8807996	Jeter is a good player, but he will just get in from here on out on popularity. There are younger players that sure deserve to go thats for sure. It really sucks that all-star/probowl games are like that. I understand why though.
Posts: 29,110

07-01-2007, 03:17 PM	#12
POND_OF_RED The talking stonehead Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Blue Springs, MO Casino cash: $1283146	Aramis Ramirez was fifth in votes by a long shot at 3rd base even though he has better numbers than David Wright who looks like he is going to walk away with the starting spot. Ramirez: 15 HR 47RBI .306 avg .354 OBP .566 SLG Wright: 14HR 44RBI .288 avg .378 OBP .505 SLG It should also be noted that he has played 17 less games as well or else Wright would't even be close to the RBI and HR totals. I do not however think Ramirez is being snubbed completely...just being snubbed by the wrong guy. Miquel Cabrera has 57RBI 17HR and a .328 avg. Also how is Rolen even on the list? Something about this needs to be fixed. I do believe the west conferences have a lot of players miss for the fact that there games are on too late for a lot of fans to even care about if your favorite team isn't in those conferences. I never pay attention to the west coast unless a team from the central divisions are playing out there.
Posts: 5,787