Chiefs Excellent article for the anti-Croyle crowd. - Page 2

donkhater · 08-28-2008, 12:46 PM

It makes some good points and gives insight to why we have so many chicken littles on this board.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...leinart/1.html

**Bwana** · 08-28-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop_74

Payton Manning

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 14 116 90.7 35 73 2.1 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1

Brodie Croyle
2008 ???????????????????????
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 9 6 127 224 56.7 1,227 5.5 6 6 17 101 69.9 7 18 2.6 0 4 3

So Brodie is the next Payton?

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-28-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop_74

Payton Manning

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 14 116 90.7 35 73 2.1 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1

Brodie Croyle
2008 ???????????????????????
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 9 6 127 224 56.7 1,227 5.5 6 6 17 101 69.9 7 18 2.6 0 4 3

Hey. You can't compare BC to Peyton. I don't know why, its what the anti-BC people say...

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-28-2008, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana

So Brodie is the next Payton?

bishop_74 · 08-28-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

He deserves the full season for evaluation (health permitting). But I have not liked what I've seen so far this preseason. Protection issues and dropped balls aside, Brodie has twice missed wide-open receivers when he's had decent-to-good protection. With all the other problems we have, he CANNOT miss those rare opportunities to score when everything has lined up perfectly.

Payton Manning
PTD INT RTD FM LST
1999 Indianapolis Colts 26 15 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 26 28 0 3 1

Brodie Croyle
2008 ???????????????????????
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 6 6 0 4 3

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-28-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

Is 2800 yards.......60% completions......and more TD's than Interceptions to much to ask of Croyle?

No, not at all.

Tits McGee · 08-28-2008, 02:40 PM

With this coaching staff you need mad game before you get off the bus.
When was the last time the Chief's took an average player and coached in up to pro bowl caliber?

bishop_74 · 08-28-2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana

So Brodie is the next Payton?

I'm just sayin'

King_Chief_Fan · 08-28-2008, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

No, not at all.

let's set the bar there and see what happens

Micjones · 08-28-2008, 02:50 PM

I stopped reading sometime after Trent Dilfer...
Career 70.2 QB Rating.
113 Career TD's, 129 Career INT's.

Yeah, we've got a lot to look forward to...

I'm really tired of hearing excuses for Brodie Croyle. Some fans are holding out all hope that what we've seen (or haven't) is simply too small a sample size to evaluate. Croyle in only six games hasn't had ample opportunity to have shown us all something. Really? Here's the first six-game stretch for 16 current NFL starting QB's.

Chad Pennington,
10 TD's 3 INT's
Game 1, 108.0 QB Rating
Game 2, 124.7 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.9 QB Rating
Game 4, 102.6 QB Rating
Game 6, 126.9 QB Rating

Brett Favre,
6 TD's 5 INT's
Game 1, 144.6 QB Rating
Game 2, 90.8 QB Rating
Game 5, 93.5 QB Rating

Tom Brady,
10 TD's 4 INT's
Game 3, 93.4 QB Rating
Game 4, 148.3 QB Rating
Game 6, 124.4 QB Rating

Ben Roethlisberger,
9 TD's 3 INT's
Game 2, 101.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 107.4 QB Rating
Game 4, 125.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 126.4 QB Rating
Game 6, 109.3 QB Rating

Derek Anderson,
12 TD's 12 INT's
Game 5, 121.0 QB Rating

Matt Schaub,
8 TD's 5 INT's
Game 2, 112.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.5 QB Rating
Game 4, 119.2 QB Rating
Game 6, 101.8 QB Rating

David Garrard,
5 TD's 2 INT's
Game 2, 87.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 103.3 QB Rating

Philip Rivers,
9 TD's 3 INT's
Game 1, 133.9 QB Rating
Game 2, 99.1 QB Rating
Game 4, 90.1 QB Rating
Game 5, 116.8 QB Rating

Jay Cutler,
10 TD's 6 INT's
Game 2, 97.6 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.7 QB Rating
Game 4, 88.9 QB Rating

Jason Campbell,
8 TD's 5 INT's
Game 1, 92.3 QB Rating

Donovan McNabb,
8 TD's 7 INT's
Game 3, 99.1 QB Rating

Tony Romo,
10 TD's 4 INT's
Game 2, 109.0 QB Rating
Game 3, 126.8 QB Rating
Game 4, 89.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 148.9 QB Rating

Drew Brees,
7 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 136.8 QB Rating
Game 4, 91.0 QB Rating
Game 6, 87.3 QB Rating

Jeff Garcia,
6 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 106.0 QB Rating
Game 6, 107.3 QB Rating

Marc Bulger,
14 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 134.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 89.0 QB Rating
Game 4, 131.7 QB Rating
Game 5, 100.5 QB Rating

Matt Leinart,
6 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 91.7 QB Rating
Game 2, 88.6 QB Rating
Game 4, 101.7 QB Rating

**Bwana** · 08-28-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop_74

I'm just sayin'

Well, I hope our sorry line can give him the protection he needs, so we can find out one way or the other.

Micjones · 08-28-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Hey. You can't compare BC to Peyton. I don't know why, its what the anti-BC people say...

I'll explain...again. (Sigh)

Peyton Manning was the #1 overall pick.
The Colts had no choice, but to be patient with him.

Or are you telling me we should be as patient with a Third Round pick as the Colts were with the first draftpick taken?

Peyton's first 6 games were rather uneventful, but after he broke a single-season record for TD's thrown by a Rookie QB... The Colts knew they had a future with him at the helm.

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-28-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

I stopped reading sometime after Trent Dilfer...
Career 70.2 QB Rating.
113 Career TD's, 129 Career INT's.

Yeah, we've got a lot to look forward to...

I'm really tired of hearing excuses for Brodie Croyle. Some fans are holding out all hope that what we've seen (or haven't) is simply too small a sample size to evaluate. Croyle in only six games hasn't had ample opportunity to have shown us all something. Really? Here's the first six-game stretch for 16 current NFL starting QB's.

Chad Pennington,
10 TD's 3 INT's
Game 1, 108.0 QB Rating
Game 2, 124.7 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.9 QB Rating
Game 4, 102.6 QB Rating
Game 6, 126.9 QB Rating

Brett Favre,
6 TD's 5 INT's
Game 1, 144.6 QB Rating
Game 2, 90.8 QB Rating
Game 5, 93.5 QB Rating

Tom Brady,
10 TD's 4 INT's
Game 3, 93.4 QB Rating
Game 4, 148.3 QB Rating
Game 6, 124.4 QB Rating

Ben Roethlisberger,
9 TD's 3 INT's
Game 2, 101.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 107.4 QB Rating
Game 4, 125.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 126.4 QB Rating
Game 6, 109.3 QB Rating

Derek Anderson,
12 TD's 12 INT's
Game 5, 121.0 QB Rating

Matt Schaub,
8 TD's 5 INT's
Game 2, 112.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.5 QB Rating
Game 4, 119.2 QB Rating
Game 6, 101.8 QB Rating

David Garrard,
5 TD's 2 INT's
Game 2, 87.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 103.3 QB Rating

Philip Rivers,
9 TD's 3 INT's
Game 1, 133.9 QB Rating
Game 2, 99.1 QB Rating
Game 4, 90.1 QB Rating
Game 5, 116.8 QB Rating

Jay Cutler,
10 TD's 6 INT's
Game 2, 97.6 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.7 QB Rating
Game 4, 88.9 QB Rating

Jason Campbell,
8 TD's 5 INT's
Game 1, 92.3 QB Rating

Donovan McNabb,
8 TD's 7 INT's
Game 3, 99.1 QB Rating

Tony Romo,
10 TD's 4 INT's
Game 2, 109.0 QB Rating
Game 3, 126.8 QB Rating
Game 4, 89.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 148.9 QB Rating

Drew Brees,
7 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 136.8 QB Rating
Game 4, 91.0 QB Rating
Game 6, 87.3 QB Rating

Jeff Garcia,
6 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 106.0 QB Rating
Game 6, 107.3 QB Rating

Marc Bulger,
14 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 134.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 89.0 QB Rating
Game 4, 131.7 QB Rating
Game 5, 100.5 QB Rating

Matt Leinart,
6 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 91.7 QB Rating
Game 2, 88.6 QB Rating
Game 4, 101.7 QB Rating

You know damn well most of these, if not all of them entered in a more favorable environment.

Nightfyre · 08-28-2008, 03:30 PM

Not to mention that Croyle did have a 99.2 QB rating in his first game

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-28-2008, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

I'll explain...again. (Sigh)

Peyton Manning was the #1 overall pick.
The Colts had no choice, but to be patient with him.

Or are you telling me we should be as patient with a Third Round pick as the Colts were with the first draftpick taken?

Peyton's first 6 games were rather uneventful, but after he broke a single-season record for TD's thrown by a Rookie QB... The Colts knew they had a future with him at the helm.

I never said BC should get 3 seasons. The point is, BC's 6 starts were on a horrible team without its starting RB. I just think you are way to premature to throwing in the towel on him. Not sure why you hate him so much. Seems like you are just praying for him to fail.

**bogey** · 08-28-2008, 03:35 PM

Sheesh. The QB is certainly among the most important positions, but they need to have some help from the rest of the team. QB can't do it all by themselves.

08-28-2008, 12:46 PM
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	Excellent article for the anti-Croyle crowd. It makes some good points and gives insight to why we have so many chicken littles on this board. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...leinart/1.html
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08-28-2008, 02:40 PM	#21
Tits McGee I'm kind of a big deal... Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $10007115	With this coaching staff you need mad game before you get off the bus. When was the last time the Chief's took an average player and coached in up to pro bowl caliber? __________________ Don't act like you're not impressed... "What the f*#k is juice? It's grape drink!" -Dave Chappelle-
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08-28-2008, 02:50 PM	#24
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I stopped reading sometime after Trent Dilfer... Career 70.2 QB Rating. 113 Career TD's, 129 Career INT's. Yeah, we've got a lot to look forward to... I'm really tired of hearing excuses for Brodie Croyle. Some fans are holding out all hope that what we've seen (or haven't) is simply too small a sample size to evaluate. Croyle in only six games hasn't had ample opportunity to have shown us all something. Really? Here's the first six-game stretch for 16 current NFL starting QB's. Chad Pennington, 10 TD's 3 INT's Game 1, 108.0 QB Rating Game 2, 124.7 QB Rating Game 3, 101.9 QB Rating Game 4, 102.6 QB Rating Game 6, 126.9 QB Rating Brett Favre, 6 TD's 5 INT's Game 1, 144.6 QB Rating Game 2, 90.8 QB Rating Game 5, 93.5 QB Rating Tom Brady, 10 TD's 4 INT's Game 3, 93.4 QB Rating Game 4, 148.3 QB Rating Game 6, 124.4 QB Rating Ben Roethlisberger, 9 TD's 3 INT's Game 2, 101.1 QB Rating Game 3, 107.4 QB Rating Game 4, 125.5 QB Rating Game 5, 126.4 QB Rating Game 6, 109.3 QB Rating Derek Anderson, 12 TD's 12 INT's Game 5, 121.0 QB Rating Matt Schaub, 8 TD's 5 INT's Game 2, 112.1 QB Rating Game 3, 101.5 QB Rating Game 4, 119.2 QB Rating Game 6, 101.8 QB Rating David Garrard, 5 TD's 2 INT's Game 2, 87.5 QB Rating Game 5, 103.3 QB Rating Philip Rivers, 9 TD's 3 INT's Game 1, 133.9 QB Rating Game 2, 99.1 QB Rating Game 4, 90.1 QB Rating Game 5, 116.8 QB Rating Jay Cutler, 10 TD's 6 INT's Game 2, 97.6 QB Rating Game 3, 101.7 QB Rating Game 4, 88.9 QB Rating Jason Campbell, 8 TD's 5 INT's Game 1, 92.3 QB Rating Donovan McNabb, 8 TD's 7 INT's Game 3, 99.1 QB Rating Tony Romo, 10 TD's 4 INT's Game 2, 109.0 QB Rating Game 3, 126.8 QB Rating Game 4, 89.5 QB Rating Game 5, 148.9 QB Rating Drew Brees, 7 TD's 6 INT's Game 1, 136.8 QB Rating Game 4, 91.0 QB Rating Game 6, 87.3 QB Rating Jeff Garcia, 6 TD's 6 INT's Game 1, 106.0 QB Rating Game 6, 107.3 QB Rating Marc Bulger, 14 TD's 6 INT's Game 1, 134.1 QB Rating Game 3, 89.0 QB Rating Game 4, 131.7 QB Rating Game 5, 100.5 QB Rating Matt Leinart, 6 TD's 6 INT's Game 1, 91.7 QB Rating Game 2, 88.6 QB Rating Game 4, 101.7 QB Rating
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08-28-2008, 03:30 PM	#28
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08-28-2008, 03:35 PM	#30
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