At number 3 the Chiefs should take a QB...

[Alphaman]

However, Chiefs fans should not expect the same results as those delivered by Flacco and Ryan. I say that for mainly one reason. Both Flacco and Ryan finished their senior years at their respective schools. That level of maturity and leadership experience certainly helped them in their preparation for their rookie year in the NFL.

Both Stafford and Bradford will be underclassmen if they come out. They won't have the same level of maturity or leadership experience when they hit the NFL. I know they are both leaders, but in college being a senior in the lockerroom carries a lot weight and respect even if there is a talented QB in the lockerroom as well.

Take Mizzou for example. Last season Chase Daniel was a leader on the team, but THE leaders on the team were Pig Brown and Martin Rucker. Seniors carry the big stick in college.

[Danman]

Originally Posted by milkman

Thigpen stiil has more question marks than any of the top 3 QBs discussed.

Yeah like he has trouble throwing within 15 feet of the receiver at times.

Originally Posted by milkman

For Bradford, the questions are whether he can transition to the NFL and make reads and the more difficult throws in the NFL.

Just curious, what throws do you not see Bradford making? OU was on TV A LOT and I saw him make a lot of throws. Some people think his receivers were too wide open. I just don't get this argument. His accuracy is pretty good and I think that's very important.

Originally Posted by milkman

For Stafford, can he become a better decision maker..

This is also what scares me about Stafford. Has a great arm, but he got confused by Michigan Freaking State. What's he gonna do against the Titens, Steelers, or Ravens?

Originally Posted by milkman

For Sanchez, can he play at the same level without the blue chip talent surrounding him.

Here's where I disagree. SC has a lot of blue chip athletes, but even the Chiefs have more talent than any college team. Clearly his level of play will suffer at first as he adjusts to the pro game. The thing about Sanchez is he reads defenses so well. They commented during the Rose Bowl that the coahing staff had him do more reading and film study than both Palmer and Leinart. I think that's only going to help him at the next level.

Good thoughts Milkman

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by milkman

The fact is, most of the people here, with any sign of intelligence, which leaves people like Chiefsfan88 out, never really complained about the direction of the team.

They did, however, complain about the piss poor coaching these young guys have been subjected to.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

herm and the rebuild are separate things

and we aren't rebuilding in any meaningful, structured way until we commit to a QB, which we haven't yet...

Herm is just a shitty coach who hires shitty assistants...the sooner they are gone the better for our "rebuild"....

I agree with you both - I guess I'm not getting my point across very well. I know you guys have seen what I have seen when it comes to people bitching about the rebuild. You know, those people that think we should be in the market for every high priced FA available in 2009 so we can race back to 8-8.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You know, those people that think we should be in the market for every high priced FA available in 2009 so we can race back to 8-8.

they're called True Fans....they're real

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You don't know what his upside is, he's played 11 games.

Everything on your list can be corrected with proper coaching. And honestly, I'm tired of the assumption that he HAS to play in the spread. When he was given significant time in the PS (against Arizona, and not running the spread) he did a decent job. 59% - 174 yards - 1/1 TD/INT in a half of play. We're running the spread for the sake of the OL and offense in general - not completely because Thigpen CAN'T operate a pro-style offense.

Again, I'm NOT saying the kid should be given the starting job.

But it's pretty obvious that the biggest issues people have with him is that he's a 7th round pick and that his biggest success has come from a "gimmick" offense.

I think sometimes you just like to disagree. You tell me, seriously, what you see in him and tell us why we should spend time on him to develop. I could care less if he starts next season as long as we have a prospect waiting in the wings. It wasn't all about the line, they said that they went to what HE knew how to run, though it does help the line out and they needed the help.

He has 11 games for us to see, and so far any 3 of the QB's that may come out has shown more.

So I would like to know what you see.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by smittysbar

Path and you both know why.

Thigpen: Has to play in a spread, can't read defense, very inaccurate, horrible long ball, and other problems.

He just doesn't have enough up side at this point to waste time on him. He will make a fine back up, more than anyone, including himself probably ever expected.

in WHOSE opinion? i've read all this shit coming out of people's mouths about him not having an upside, well once again who is to say that with ANY certainty right now? and i'm for drafting a qb AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOMEONE TO TEACH THAT QB HOW TO PLAY IN THE NFL(not herm)

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sorry, Smitty - but I call bullshit.

Everyone KNEW who the coach was going to be to lead this "rebuilding" when we signed off on it.

Had the fans been OK with it, THEN Herm was brought in, it would all make sense. But you can't say "I'm OK with rebuilding" then say you're not because the coach is a ****ing dolt. We knew that going in.

Not saying we didn't, but don't act like the fan base some how bailed on the rebuild, this rebuild was a failure.

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree.

I was, and still am, behind the rebuild, and I even gave credit to Herman ****ing Edwards for initiating the process.

However, it has never been any secret that I never had faith from the start in either Carl or Herman ****ing Edwards.

They did the right thing, they were just the wrong people doing it.

Yep

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I agree with you both - I guess I'm not getting my point across very well. I know you guys have seen what I have seen when it comes to people bitching about the rebuild. You know, those people that think we should be in the market for every high priced FA available in 2009 so we can race back to 8-8.

I think we agree on this. I guess niether one of us were getting our point across.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by smittysbar

I think sometimes you just like to disagree. You tell me, seriously, what you see in him and tell us why we should spend time on him to develop. I could care less if he starts next season as long as we have a prospect waiting in the wings. It wasn't all about the line, they said that they went to what HE knew how to run, though it does help the line out and they needed the help.

He has 11 games for us to see, and so far any 3 of the QB's that may come out has shown more.

So I would like to know what you see.

I see exactly what most objective people would expect to see from a 7th round pick who's basically a rookie and has 11 games under his belt:

Inconsistency.

Questionable decision making.

Questionable footwork.

ALL things that not only can be improved upon with better coaching and more experience, but things you are ABSOLUTELY going to see in a rookie QB, regardless of where they were drafted. Eli Manning was the #1 overall pick, and looked like ass until the last 4 games and playoffs of 2007. Over 3.5 years after he had been drafted.

Your post proves my point exactly. People don't like him because he's a 7th round pick from a small school. Period.

And it will become even more obvious when Stafford, Bradford or Sanchez come in and make the same mistakes, but are afforded all the excuses that DON'T apply to Thigpen based on where he was drafted.

Huge double standard

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

in WHOSE opinion? i've read all this shit coming out of people's mouths about him not having an upside, well once again who is to say that with ANY certainty right now? and i'm for drafting a qb AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOMEONE TO TEACH THAT QB HOW TO PLAY IN THE NFL(not herm)

Basically Tony G is the only person that says they think he is the man. Hell even Herm wouldn't commit to him being the man. Lenny doesn't think he has got "it". I don't see it, if a guy is inaccurate AND can't throw the long ball I think he has problems.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by smittysbar

Not saying we didn't, but don't act like the fan base some how bailed on the rebuild, this rebuild was a failure.

How can you say with any certainty, that 1 year in, this was a failure?

For as much as I bash on Derrick Johnson, I still have a slight bit of hope that some competent ****ing coaching can turn him into what we expected from the 15th pick in the draft.

Same goes for Hali. Page. Pollard. Dorsey. McBride. Tyler. Carr. Leggett.

You can't tell me that all of these players are busts, when they've been coached by this staff. I'm not saying they are all going to turn into studs, but time will tell.

Again, patience.

[Johnny Vegas]

How about a coach who can win and be consistent on that? I'd give Thiggy another season just because he gave the offense a HUGE spark compared to the first few games when a veteran backup and a 3rd rounder couldn't accomplish it.

[Danman]

Originally Posted by Manila-Chief

the opportunity to take a top flight QB only happens rarely (at least I hope we show progress next year and do not have this opportunity next year … if not we are in trouble with both new GM/Coach and in that case it will not matter who they draft). If one of the 3 QB’s are available, I think we should seize the opportunity and take him.

Good point. Dayton Moore has repeatedly said that pitching is the commodity of baseball. A Good QB is the commodity of football. Teams that have a good QB have more chances at the post season including the superbowl. Whoever the GM is, and I can't forsee it being Bradway, find a QBOTF and let's build the team.

Originally Posted by Manila-Chief

Someone mentioned wasting a pick if the QB is another Ryan Leaf … you mean like Ryan Sims??? Point, there are draft pick misses at all positions. We have used journeymen QB’s for way too long.

Outstanding point. Yes the last time we drafted a QB in the first round we blew it, but that was also 25 yrs ago. You can't let a 25 year old decision scare you into taking "the safe pic" . That gets you anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6. Let's grab the right QB and build this thing.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by milkman

The fact is, most of the people here, with any sign of intelligence, which leaves people like Chiefsfan88 out, never really complained about the direction of the team.

They did, however, complain about the piss poor coaching these young guys have been subjected to.

I can't wait to see what a new coaching staff on the defensive side of the ball can do with DJ, Hali, Dorsey, Turk, Flowers, Pollard, Tank, and Morgan. And these are just the players off of the top of may head we took in the first 3 rounds the past 4 years that come to mind. I refuse to believe that all of these guys who were game changers in college can't develop into game changing type of players for us.

[Johnny Vegas]

Originally Posted by badmajama

How about a coach who can win and be consistent on that? I'd give Thiggy another season just because he gave the offense a HUGE spark compared to the first few games when a veteran backup and a 3rd rounder couldn't accomplish it.

and the Chiefs can still draft a QB 1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounds.